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Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans lifted - see OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    He, the local peeping Tom, has been dead a couple of years now, so discussing him shouldn't be a problem.

    Maybe there's another reason @bjsc has gone quiet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Dr. Cassidy’s Casebook on after the news.

    Marie Cassidy was made deputy to John Harbison shortly after Sophie’s murder. She replaced him as State Pathologist when he retired. She was not involved in Sophie’s case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Lecter8319


    I saw it aswell, if anything it showed just how out of touch Harbison was at the time in terms of his organizing & familiarity with more modern gruesome murders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Yes, she was gracious enough not to criticise him, and didn't dwell on the Sophie murder investigation too much.

    It was more what she didn't say about his work methods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Is the autopsy report a matter of public record? I don't recall ever reading it in detail - only references to it.

    I imagine it must have been submitted at the inquest. The inquest took place on April 17th, 1997, according to The Irish Sun.

    (Not the most respectable source, I know)

    Their timeline also mentions that " A French magistrate orders the exhumation of Sophie’s body for a post-mortem and forensic examination. " We have to wonder who conducted this, did they write a report, and what were their findings?

    Probably not much, and no different from the original examination, but it would be interesting at this stage to read and compare the two reports.

    Especially, I think, regarding the position in which the deceased was found.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    @chooseusername Ah thank you! Very much obliged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    I've read the report by Dr Harbison with close interest.

    My lord, that poor lady was battered horribly, God rest her.

    Looking for any hint of information that might suggest time of death; and there's really only 2 things.

    First, the food found in the stomach, which he says was "recently ingested".

    and the other thing is the degree of rigor mortis.

    And these would be the main two aspects that help any pathologist to estimate the time of death.

    And in this case, both aspects are a little problematical!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Seems that the director is convinced of Bailey's innocence..

    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/famous-irish-filmmaker-vows-clear-29034183



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    It's in his financial interest to keep talk of the late Ian Bailey being stitched up going.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    A more intriguing idea would be, will he propose an alternative theory for who DID commit the crime?

    The closer I examine the evidence available to me, the less likely it seems that it was Bailey; but it doesn't particularly reveal the identity of the real culprit.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Sophie's cousin, Frederic Gazeau, remains unconvinced of Sheridan's new documentary and mentions that Sheridan's theory relates to a Frenchman as per Marie Farrell's claims…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,916 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ian Bailey trending on Google again... must be due to the Jim Sheridan article.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭Baz Richardson


    “His interpretations are based on the Marie Farrell testimony,” he added. Mr Gazeau said the “testimony” Ms Farrell had provided had already been “changed” and thus he did not credit it."

    But he is quite happy to accept Farrell's testimony when used to convict Bailey?

    “Like a lot of people who got too close to the case, it’s difficult to maintain a balanced view.”

    Yes indeed Mr Gazeau, take a long look in the mirror.

    "Mr Gazeau said he and his family ensured “balance” was at the fore of the 2021 Netflix true-crime series, A ­Murder in West Cork – a creation by John Downer and made with the support of Sophie’s loved ones. Mr Gazeau was a producer on the documentary and thus had a huge input into the work."

    That statement is comedy gold, of course it had "balance" Mr Gazeau… 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Does anyone know when we can expect the results of this case review?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I guess it will run for a bit yet..

    'The deaths of key figures in the
    original investigation into the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier are
    among the major issues facing the garda cold case review team.

    After the passing of Ian Bailey on Sunday afternoon — the key suspect in the 1996 killing — gardaí have stressed that the probe will continue.

    Sources
    said the credibility of the cold case review process has to be
    protected by ensuring that reviews continue “until they get to their own
    logical conclusion”.

    Another source said: “It would make a mockery of what the cold case was supposed to do in the first place by not continuing.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Mackinac


    Who was the last confirmed person out the gate before Sophie was found?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Leo Bolger came to check his horses on Sunday afternoon and visited Alfie for a drink. The postman delivered to the Alfie’s postbox around 6:30, but he wouldn’t need to go through the gate.

    Edit:

    Sophie herself would have come in the gate around 5 or 6 pm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I just hope that whatever is in the file submitted to the DPP is a balanced view and not trying to fit a square peg into a round hole like they’ve done previously.

    They need to be totally honest in their assessment of Bailey this time around. Absolutely there’s some evidence pointing in Baileys direction- no doubt about that- but using modern policing analysis, they need to provide a clear view on what the data is now saying them.

    If it’s more boloxolgy like their last DPP files then I’ve very little faith that the Gardai are willing to admit mistakes - but there’s some hope in that the cold case review team for Annie McCarrick have done a U turn away from Jonny Foxes pub- that in itself shows brave and independent thinking



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I don't think that the case could ever be solved.

    It's just a basis for film producers and writers to make money.

    There will be many theories coming up but none has any proof.

    People will talk and the story continues…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Mackinac


    Thanks. I hadn’t thought about the case for a few weeks and it’s funny how you come back to things. Was Sophie sitting at the table after breakfast and saw someone leave without closing the gate? Or had it been left open for someone to drive in? Maybe she went down to close it? I wonder if those interviewed who were in the vicinity of the cottage on Sunday were asked about the gate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    The thing is, the gate in the lane was a common gate for all 3 properties, it was not Sophie's gate. It might have bothered her in the past if someone left it open, but in the year or two before the murder she had put up two gates, one into her lawn from the lane, and one at the back wall of her house near her back door. There was also a fence by the Eastern gable of her house at the boundary with Richardson's property. She actually parked her car on Richardson's land. She should have had no issue with visitors to the other houses using the common gate in the lane.

    (Sophie's gates/ fences in red, green gate is common gate in the lane).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Mackinac


    Were all the gate issues resolved once she put up the gates to her own property then? Something took her down to the gate that morning (had it been night a light would have been left on in the house and she probably would have taken a torch with her).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Had she a torch in the house? The killer could have turned the lights off and it was a full moon so easy enough to see about..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Mackinac


    I don’t know maybe not, just assumed a house in a rural area would have one. We always had one growing up, I still have ones today for when the power goes out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    When Shirly Foster Drove down the lane, she was suprised that the gate was open and then she spotted the Body at the side of the lane

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    In this video Shirley says the gate "was open as it is now" nothing about being surprised.

    Unfortunately the first part of her statement is illegible,

    and now that @bjsc has left the building we haven't got Shirley's full statement or that of the postman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    That Video proves nothing and we haven't got Shirley's proper statement.

    But your comment in the second post I quoted above "Sophie was most likely the last person through the gate Sun evening, and would have closed it"

    Suggests the gate was probably closed and it was posted numerous times in threads on this subject before.

    Without her proper statement we will never know the actual truth on what she actually said

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    I'm not contradicting myself, I believe the gate in the lane was probably closed Sunday evening/night.

    Just wondered where you got the "surprised" from.



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