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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Hard disagree.

    I actually find that viewpoint profoundly anti-humanistic. His kids are highly unlikely to grow to be mindless consumers. I mean look at who their dad is. He probably has them home spinning their own clothes.
    We need to get technology to the point where you can have as many kids as you like without negative environmental consequences, that’s the goal.

    We don’t want to end up causing our extinction by avoiding having kids, we don’t wanna end up like the panda bears in Fight Club.

    I disagree that environmentalists want to use mostly taxation as a way to achieve carbon reduction targets. There are good reasons for introducing carbon taxes but change will mostly be achieved by introducing zero carbon technologies. Carrots not sticks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    Hugely in agreement. A good environmentalist is one that wants achievable and measureable changes so that we can live side by side with the environment. We still need to drive, farm, travel, have kids, build etc doing so in the cleanest and best way for the environment is whats needed.

    Taxation is the lazy way out of it, creating change isnt. As you said carrots not sticks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    It's anti excessive children, not anti humanistic

    It doesn't matter how environmentally friendly Eamon Ryans kids ( or anyone elses kids) will be they still will consume too much and consume much more than 2 fewer children and also produce more children themselves down the line.The greens all over the world have no problem being anti-humanistic when wanting to restrict people's freedom or tax them to death for their cause.

    All our environmental problems are because there are far too many people on the planet. Environmentalists who have too many children (I consider more than 2 too many as 2 replace the man and woman who created them) gigantic hypocrites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It would be hypocritical if he told others not to have 4 children when he has 4. What he's doing isn't hypocritical.

    If you don't like him or his policies, just say so. Probably best not to use spurious arguments though.

    You're also cresting special standards for environmentalists about how many children they should have , and complaining that environmentalists restrict people's freedom...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Environmentalists lecture us on saving the environment all the time.However the fact is having too many children is the most environmentally unfriendly thing you can do.So really a true environmentalist would limit the number of children they have in order to protect the environment.

    I expect environmentalists to be extremely environmentally friendly ,if they can't set a good example for everyone else then it's hard to take them seriously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sure, sure, sure. Now you're setting rules for how many children they should have, and accusing them of taking your freedom. Think about that for a second.

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I really think the Internet should be regulated.

    The worst thing about the internet is that it gave some people the tool to make their voice heard, and the belief their voice was important..

    Some people are just a*seholes, the type of people who get the comment "Jesus, keep your head down, so and so just walked in" when they enter a pub.

    If people needed to put their name beside their opinions there would be a lot less online bullying and hatred.

    The same should be true even for text messages read out on the radio, letters to the editor in newspapers etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I don't like the sound of screeching women when watching sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Women are given too much leeway for terrible, and very often rude, time keeping.

    I notice it basically every day in work, when a woman would come in past the last collection time to post off a letter or parcel and then expect special treatment. I would hazard a guess that they probably come into town, get a coffee, peruse the shops and finally go to the post office at the last moment, whereas a man would get that job done first before the rest.

    Often see them rushing to a bus complete with luggage at the very last moment too, rather than arriving at a reasonable time and waiting like any good time-keeper would do.

    I don't think I've ever been on time, nevermind early, to any social event with the wife, although I couldn't believe my own eyes when she arrived to our wedding ceremony on time.

    It's isn't fashionably late, it's just late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    Would you be okay with a non screeching woman?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    It's sad how some people will try to twist your words around to make you sound like a sexist. You're better off just ignoring them tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,820 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Ah now, R, I think some people do a fine job of showing their misogyny on their own.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Ireland's defense capabilities are a serious embarrassment to the country. We are supposed to be a first world country yet we go with the begging bowl to the Spanish or British when we need to get Irish citizens out of a warzone. We should at least double if not triple our defense spending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Our defence forces are a bluff. If war broke out, Ireland would be a strategic spot for everyone. Its in between Britain/Europe and the US. Neither Britain or the USbwould allow anyone else to have it, and if we're fighting against Britain or the US in a conventional war, we could spend 50% of GDP on the defence forces and still wouldn't stand a chance.

    I'm fine with having a token defence force. There's little point spending tens of billions annyally, maintaining a defence force for decades, only to either be defended by allies or overrun by enemies. Better things to spend money on.

    Now that things are heating up, I wouldn't object to spending money on recruitment for full time and reserve forces. But I wouldn't want them to have a large military force for the last 80 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Even if regulating the internet was a good idea it would be far too difficult in reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    The Americans are going to whip TikTok into line. Get it back to the approved talking points about trans, abortion, immigrants democrat vs republican and narrow the discussion like they have done with cable news.

    It doesn't seem as difficult as you're making out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Greyfox @El_Duderino 09

    Hope linking to things is okay in this thread?

    The EU just showed us another way of reining in TikTok

    Everyone’s attention is on the U.S.’s moves to ban the app, but the European Union just showed it’s not messing around.

    https://zpravy.kurzy.cz/765472-commission-stress-tests-platforms-election-readiness-under-the-digital-services-act/

    • the Commission has conducted a simulation exercise with designated platforms, Digital Services Coordinators, and civil society organisations to test their readiness against election manipulation and interference in relation to the European election.

    EU is doing its best to introduce regulation with DSA!

    Was going to post earlier but didn't, don't want people saying I going on about it too much?

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    No words were twisted, the hidden misogny just didnt stand up to the questioning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    People like what they like no matter what those creepy male feminists say.

    It's basically part of our genes as a civilization for both sexes to want time exclusively in the company of the same sex.

    Some people are honest, some people pretend for self preservation, and some people like to persecute honest people to earn social credit. But everyone knows the truth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    You cant apply that logic to not wanting to listen to women talking about the biggest and most popular sport on the planet.

    Honestly thinking men that believe in the equality of the sexes are creepy is problamatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Every family of at least 3 kids will have one black sheep, who will fall into one of these categories:

    1. Will marry a person of a different ethnicity (and have the cheapest wedding of the siblings!).
    2. In terms of career, can go a number of ways. Either they'll flit between a number of run-of-the-mill jobs without settling down (compared to more 'successful' siblings), will be over the age of 30 and still won't have found themselves (mightn't have even bothered learning to drive, still rely on mammy and daddy), or will constantly be on the go travelling/studying and thus won't get a 'real' job till their late-20s.
    3. Will often hold 'alternative' views on everything from vaccines to activism to politics. Can get quite self-righteous in doing so to.

    It's actually uncanny. I ran the numbers across my entire extended family, and my wife's family circles too, and there is always one that fits into at least one of the above. Not saying their is anything wrong with it per se (apart from 3.) but it's definitely a common human condition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    My main friend group is mixed. I imagine most people are similar. Of course I like time with just the lads. If we go to a match, half the time it's just the lads. The women in the group sometimes end up at concerts that none of the lads go to either. We'd usually invite anyone who wants to go to these events but that's how it works out depending on the individuals interests.

    But that's mates in a private group. The people on MOTD, are not your mates. They're public. So wanting to have some all-male time with your mates is fine. MOTD isn't your private friend group, so it's deluded to think you can speak for the public as if it was your private friend group.

    I'd venture to suggest that most people actually enjoy their friends company whether they're men or women. Some might think that makes me a creepy male feminists. I think it's a normal part of being an adult. Or maybe I'm just lucky to have a good mixed group of friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    But that's mates in a private group. The people on MOTD, are not your mates. They're public. So wanting to have some all-male time with your mates is fine. MOTD isn't your private friend group, so it's deluded to think you can speak for the public as if it was your private friend group.

    Some people were mentioned women commentating on and being panellists for men's football. I don't see why it's unreasonable to have men do the commentary for the men's game and women for the women's game.

    More men play and watch football, and whether you like it or not, there is more money in the men's game because of this. Yet television people seem to insist on more and more women getting involved in men's football.

    I've (partly) watched Football Focus on BBC1 for the past three Saturdays, and today is the first time there were more men than women in the studio discussing the football. The previous two weeks it was two women and one man. Last week, the outside broadcast section was to a female player who had just taken up tattooing…so let's see how she's getting on! 🙄 What has that got to do with football?

    I wonder if Alan Hansen would be available to do a fashion piece on This Morning or The One Show…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I suppose it depends if you enjoy mixed company or not. Do you not have male friends to have time with only men?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    The wolf tones shouldn't be allowed play electric picnic, they are clearly big IRA supporters, why give them the publicity? main stage wtf? Has Ireland not moved passed all that "come out you black and tans" sectarian nonsense?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭fortwilliam


    My "MCO"

    But it's not an opinion, it is a fact..

    Every time a male and female meet for the first time, the male has done a one second "would I" evaluation.

    Every time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    They draw people and make money.

    They will argue that it's Irish culture.

    They're retiring afaik so you won't have to put up with them for long more unless there's a Continuity Wolfe Tones.

    Disclosure: not a fan and lyrics of many of their tunes are blatantly sectarian, but somehow acceptable to young people who "cancel" anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    People who are obsessed with fame and money are bad people and not to be trusted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    People today who have been diagnosed with Autism and who say (with a degree of pride I might add) "I'm on the spectrum" or "Since my diagnosis" are gobshites.

    Having a mild form of autism where you can live perfectly normal perfectly functioning life without too many major difficulties like James McClean and Chris Packham for example is not that big a deal and people really need to stop banging on about it.You see it all the time in recent years where it's become very common to talk about and feel like it's some sort of an achievement to be diagnosed with autism and something to be proud of.It neither is something to be ashamed of or proud of it is just the way you were and I suspect a very large proportion of people over the years would qualify as being on the autism spectrum if they had got it tested.

    There are people with very debilitating forms of autism who will never live normal lives, my cousins son has autism and he's probably never going to be able to live independently and needs a carer to take him to school, Paul Scholes son can't live a normal life because of his autism.For people like that it's a very serious condition and I can't imagine how tough it must be for them and their families but lumping all mild forms of autism in with serious cases as if they are even close to the same thing and we should be concerned with them on all the same level is nonsense.There seems to have been a fetishinsation of the milder forms of autism in recent years.

    Just like people who have suffered with mild depression and anxiety are not remotely to be put in the same category as people with severe mental illnesses like Schizophrenia.



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