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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • #34262
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122049914#Comment_122049914

    Why do they only get to bring up those cases if Trump takes the stand?



  • #34263
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122049952#Comment_122049952

    That is exactly what will happen.



  • #34264
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122050093#Comment_122050093

    That's why it's a difficult hill for the prosecution to climb.

    Cohen, Trump's lawyer, paid Daniels. Trump reimbursed Cohen. On the books, the payment by Trump to Cohen was listed as legal fees. Had they been listed on the books as "reimbursement to lawyer to pay off Daniels" there would have been no case, the misrepresentation is a critical component of the charge, but in itself is not the charge. (It would have been one had it been made three or four years ago, statue of limitations for a misdemeanor)

    There are two follow-on effects which are relevant. Firstly, if the payments were made to hide the story from potential voters (as opposed to any other reason), then the argument is that as the money was used to help the election campaign, thus would have counted as a political contribution, subject to a limit of a few thousand dollars. The intent to bypass the political contribution limit is the crux of the charge as it relates to election law.

    Apparently there is a second alternate route that he charge can be substantiated. It seems that such reimbursements have to be declared under a separate income category for Cohen, and by using the category they actually did, it reduced Cohen's tax bill by a few tens of thousands of dollars, thus permitting tax fraud. The catch with this one is that Trump (or realistically his agent) had to have that intent in mind when he put the entry into the ledger.

    That help?



  • #34265
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    As I understand it, the issue isn't with him having an affair or paying her off. He could have "hired" her as an aide, and paid her a salary + bonus that would have equalled the pay off money.

    It's that he didn't want there being any link between her and him so he got his lawyer to pull funds from an account not his own, and the funds came from an account used for the campaign. It boils down to him being accused of tax fraud which funnily enough is how they got Capone in the end.



  • #34266
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,866 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122050153#Comment_122050153

    Yes, that's helpful thank you.

    The second issue sounds like it's irrelevant to Trump so I presume the emphasis will be on the first one.

    It sounds like that in turn will come down to what Michael Cohen says Trump told him to do. In previous instances he said that Trump "Never explicitly told me what to do but he made his intentions clear indirectly" so that might be tricky - especially since the defence can just label Cohen as a convicted criminal who also bears a grudge against Trump.



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  • #34267
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,626 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The simplest way to remember it that I saw earlier, is that it's financial fraud due to misrepresentation, which is a state crime, and done for the purposes of hiding the info from the electorate in the run-up to the election, which would be a federal crime.



  • #34268
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,096 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122050216#Comment_122050216

    David Pecker was present at a meeting with TFG and Cohen where this plan was hatched. Pecker is the first prosecution witness today. It's an election interference case, not a "hush money" case. Cohen lied to Congress about this, and went to prison. TFG has lied identically about it, and if he lies again in court, it should be easy to convict



  • #34269
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,626 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump's lawyers in his civil fraud case have agreed to the AG's demands regarding the bond. So another stay of execution in terms of seizing his assets.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/trumps-attorneys-argue-acceptance-175m-bond-civil-fraud/story?id=109475776



  • #34270
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122050398#Comment_122050398

    If Trump were to take the stand and dispute the things which Cohen has already been jailed for, would that be an automatic charge of lying in court and the judge has to send him down for that?



  • #34271
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,866 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


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    I had a read off of this guy's wikipedia page. No mention of him moving back to Australia (where he's originally from) nor his spinal condition. Both must have happened relatively recently. Interesting that…



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  • #34272
    swiwi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,611 ✭✭✭swiwi_


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    Trump…



  • #34273
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,218 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Anyone heading to the fancy dinner to see Donalds favourite speaker tonight ?

    https://twitter.com/Ireland_Inc/status/1777335595162804517


  • #34274
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,467 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122050598#Comment_122050598

    Whatever you say about Nancy, at least she was able to keep her conference together. A skill that's eluded the Republicans completely.



  • #34275
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,806 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    Time to see if the judge has some balls...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #34276
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    he also complained about the heavy police presence (just days after someone lit themselves on fire) and the dearth of MAGA protestors present at the courthouse - why do there need to be fewer cops for MAGA protestors to show up, Don? 🤔 Could it be the majority leftovers of his support are still out wanted for January 6 crimes or do you just not have much diehard support left? Or maybe he doesn’t assume his base have jobs 😆

    https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-melts-down-over-lack-of-supporters-protesting-his-new-york-trial/



  • #34277
    I.R.Y.E.D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122050630#Comment_122050630

    Could have been a potentially good networking event for someone who is a running a successful business.

    Of course it depends on what your business actually does and if it has any potential outside of its current existence to determine if it would be worth your while attending or not.



  • #34278
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Klepper's coverage of the trial scene last week and his commentary this afternoon on it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4i7h4iAqu0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTAh8IiSbN4


  • #34279
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,806 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1782588892610167128

    The hearing today should be interesting...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #34280
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I just want the judge to take the great scene from Porky’s and ask Stormy which is Donald’s tallywhacker and have a tallywhacker line up.

    NSFW clip from Porkys.

    https://youtu.be/9DXjiNe_jj8?si=lmgB-ANt-TdITZRH


  • #34281
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051851#Comment_122051851
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    Less smiley but this is it.



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  • #34282
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ladies and gentlemen of this jury this oaf read this placard then bluffed his way through a live television broadcast a few minutes later saying maybe we should shove sunlight up peoples butt and inject them with bleach

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    ”OBJECTION! Your honor my client clearly said inject them with disinfectant, not bleach” a distinction without a difference your honor. “Overruled”



  • #34283
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122050093#Comment_122050093

    One of the key issues comes down to the fact that Trump is a mean , miserly git (who doesn't actually have anything like the money he claims).

    There are various violations of accounting/reporting practices etc. that are the crimes that he is being charged for , but fundamentally it all comes do to the fact that he was trying to hide the payment as a business expense through he company so HE wouldn't have to pay for it personally.

    A supposed "Billionaire" couldn't just give the ~$130k cash to her privately from his own funds (directly or indirectly) - No he had to try an hide them as a business expense so he could write it off and save the money.

    His skinflint meanness is what has him here , followed by his innate corruption and apparent inability to do even the most basic things legally.



  • #34284
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,866 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122052744#Comment_122052744

    It's not that simple. If he had given her the money from his own funds then that's a taxable benefit in kind. He'd have to declare it. I'm not sure what the rules are in America but certainly here if you want to give large sums of cash, as a gift, to a stranger then tax needs to be paid on that.

    In short there's no legal way to give her that money without declaring it in one way or other.



  • #34285
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,096 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122052841#Comment_122052841

    Could've hired her to work in an office and paid her directly, normally, through the business. Or as special assistant for mushroom cultivation. Whatever. Perhaps Cohen's or Pecker's testimony will clear up how they came up with their ludicrous scheme.



  • #34286
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122052841#Comment_122052841

    As others have said , he could have "hired" her for something and paid her that way - I mean Melania got paid $250k+ for "designing the table arrangements" at a Trump political event so there are any amount of bullsh!t things he could have hidden the payment behind.

    But he wanted to keep it quiet AND he didn't want to have to pay it himself so he took company money and lied about its purpose. Because his first instinct is to see if he can find a way to get someone else to foot the bill for him.

    And even if he had just written her a cheque and paid the BIK taxes etc. , proving that the payment was "election interference" would have been infinitely harder than proving the "illegal payment" stuff that he's facing now..



  • #34287
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    A supposed "Billionaire" couldn't just give the ~$130k cash to her privately from his own funds (directly or indirectly) - No he had to try an hide them as a business expense so he could write it off and save the money.

    Thats exactly it. There's a line from Frasier of all things, and the lawyer is shouting into the phone "Any idiot knows you pay a hooker in cash!".

    By trying to not pay for it himself, he has created a paper trail which amounts to tax fraud.



  • #34288
    TotesRandomer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭TotesRandomer


    World domination. Seriously. Soon he'll be leader of the biggest nuclear power on Earth and with a cult-like following he can do whatever the f0ck he likes.



  • #34289
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Jack Smith filing reveals he has a witness, Person 16, who will testify Walt Nauta was promised a pardon in a 2nd Trump term if he lied to the FBI on the classified docs case

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/witness-in-bombshell-new-trump-filing-says-trump-offered-pardon-to-co-defendant-in-2024-even-for-lying-to-fbi/



  • #34290
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053015#Comment_122053015

    Exactly - He could have put it down as a "gambling loss" on his personal tax returns and said he'd "put it all on black" and lost..

    I mean he's a high roller right???



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  • #34291
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053146#Comment_122053146

    If he was married with a couple of kids, living in a two-up two-down, and didn't want the wife seeing the charge on the joint account to Stringfellows, so he used his corporate credit card, he would be fired. Many people have made that mistake in the past.

    I really doubt he and Melania have a joint account. Or that she reviews his accounts in general.



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