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  • #109142
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034035#Comment_122034035

    Western sources: "Russian military is weak, pathetic, useless… comically inept…"

    Also

    western sources: "Ukraine is struggling… I know we've given them eyewatering amounts of military aid, but they need much more to defeat this useless Russian army…"

    For a start "Western sources" never put it like that about the Russian military. Indeed they initially thought they'd be far more successful in invading and taking Ukraine. A few "tactical feints" later and that view changed. I see you're still pimping the "eyewatering amounts of military aid" from your scrpt. Again please put a number to how many HIMARS/MBT/Bradleys/patriots have been sent to Ukraine?

    The plain facts are the majority of military kit Ukraine has used against Russia is legacy Soviet stuff. In the six months of the war they got anti tank and anti aircraft kit alright, but had no HIMARs, or modern Western self propelled guns, it took far longer for the couple of dozen MBT's to show up, Bradleys are the biggest vehicle transfer and they number about a hundred and no fighters have been delivered yet over two years in. Yet even in those first six months with none of the military aid that followed they harried Russia and forced them back.

    In any event both positions can be true. Five thugs, even if they're "weak, pathetic, useless, comically inept" thugs, are going to be a problem to one half decent fighter. Russia, because of the lack of air superiority, sluggish logistics and a lack of combined arms operational skills have been forced for over a year into WW1 trench warfare taking land where they can, field by field by pummeling with artillery and following on with tank/human waves. Even so and against a numerically inferior force conserving ammo their progress is measured in yards and piles of bodies.

    And it has been really quite unintelligent propaganda from the west.

    If Western propaganda has been unintelligent, Russian propaganda has veered from ridiculous to farcical on a near weekly basis, only for their latest daftness to be conveniently memory holed the following week. Actually their amnesia tends to run in three week cycles on average, just enough for the faithful to conveniently forget. Much of it aimed at appealing to fringe groups in the West, not unlike in Cold War 1, and it's been quite successful too. EG if you bump into someone who's bought into WEF/Anti Vaxx/Plandemic/Q-Anon/Deep State/MAGA/etc type it's a near certainty they're also newly minted Kremlin supporters.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #109143
    Veda Kind Yak
    Posts: 92 ✭✭ Veda Kind Yak


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034275#Comment_122034275

    So, are the Russian military a strong or weak opponent for the Ukrainians to overcome? If they're strong, that might explain why Ukraine have needed so much time and money, and are struggling to achieve their goals.

    I think the Russian objectives are very attainable too, continue to defend their new annexed territories and prevent the Ukrainians from reclaiming them. I think they'll achieve that goal, unless something very big changes with the Ukrainian war effort.

    I don't think Russia has any ability to reform the soviet union or pose any significant threat to Europe militarily. I don't think they have the manpower or resources to do anything remotely like that. But then I don't think even the US would have the ability to take over Europe with military force, I think it's ridiculous notion cooked up by people who are very bad at the art of propaganda.



  • #109144
    Virgil°
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034339#Comment_122034339

     I think it's ridiculous notion cooked up by people who are very bad at the art of propaganda.

    I wouldn't be throwing stones mo chara. You know what they say about people in glass houses and all that?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #109145
    I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct
    Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Orcs in Mordor continuing to amaze us with innovative ideas

    https://censor.net/en/video_news/3484620/russian_official_suggests_heating_russian_homes_with_heat_from_burning_bodies_in_crematoria_its_very



  • #109146
    zerosquared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    The Russia is not a threat to Europe claims are laughable when

    1. Their politicians and media regularly says otherwise up to and including Putin himself who boldly claimed he wants to restore Russian empire borders on video, borders that used to cut deep into what is now EU
    2. They tried and fail to freeze Europe (who didn’t cut their gas off)
    3. They have a long history of murdering Europeans with exotic chemical and radioactive materials when not busy shooting down passenger planes
    4. Just today we have this

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-arrests-two-alleged-military-sabotage-plot-behalf-russia-2024-04-18/



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  • #109147
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034035#Comment_122034035

    Propaganda from the WEST?It seems to have escaped your notice that several of the most outlandish, vicious and ominous threats are emanating straight from the mouths of the Kremlin puppets on RT:Skabayeva, Solovyov, Simonyon and the rest of that motley crew. These included the promises to reoccupy not only Alaska, but California no less, and threats to destroy London, level Warsaw and attack the Baltic States-to name only a few. And that's before we even get to the threats-too numerous to mention-to eradicate the entire state of Ukraine, "re-educate" its people and kill as many as it takes to turn it into a subservient vassal of Moscow. Calls for genocide, in short.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #109148
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034439#Comment_122034439

    Solovyov and co. are like the Russian version of Tucker Carlson and friends. Just saying any old nonsense as long as it gets them notoriety.

    Obviously Russia would be completely unable to reoccupy Alaska or something like that unless the USA agreed to sell it back or something. A more achievable aim is to continue spreading disinformation which leads to the election of Trump who then pulls out of NATO, leaving Europe vulnerable to vastly increased nuclear threats without any confidence of cover if Russia tried the unimaginable.



  • #109149
    SoapMcTavish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭SoapMcTavish


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034635#Comment_122034635

    "leaving Europe vulnerable to vastly increased nuclear threats without any confidence of cover if Russia tried the unimaginable"

    The British have 225 nuclear warheads, and the French have 300. Both have weapons deployed on submarines.



  • #109150
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122033943#Comment_122033943

    Ah, in fairness I'd take the Ukrainian figures - both their casualties and Russia's (nearly half a million?!? 35,000 in Bahkmut alone?!?) with a massive serving of salt. That's not a criticism - they're doing exactly what they should be. But even if it was 'just' 100,000 Russian casualties (as well as the 10s of thousands who must have been seriously wounded), that's off the scale in terms of modern wars. The Ukriainian's tbf seem to have priorities protection of life from teh very outset. Any of the dug in campaigns they've had seem to have been very calculated rather than heads in the sand stuff - severely degrade the Russian forces before pulling back.

    Does anyone seriously believe the 450,000 is even remotely accurate?



  • #109151
    zerosquared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034734#Comment_122034734

    it’s not too far off the US and UK figures and probably includes seriously injured who won’t return to fight, the Ukrainians have been meticulous in their documentation of dead personnel and equipment, BBC had a piece about units whose job is to scrape DNA samples off the dead Russians, now obviously these units won’t get to all the bodies especially in areas where they had to retreat, but Ukrainian units do have direct incentive to document everything especially using drones as units with more kills get better kit and bonuses and funding

    A better question to ask why would anyone seriously believe anything Russian claim as all they ever do is lie lie lie about everything, this whole war tripped out the door because of lies, the whole society and neo fascist ideology is based on lies, and all the incentives are aligned to produce more lies and corruption

    We have one of them right here trying very hard to paint Russians as cuddly teddy bears which is laughable



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  • #109152
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034722#Comment_122034722

    Yes, but the Russians have more, so there would be a subtext of if it came to an all-out exchange, Russia would still have the 'better' of it, whatever 'better' would mean in an apocalyptic nuclear exchange.

    But the bigger crux of that would be that Russia would stop trying to undermine NATO if the US left. They'll want to cleave the larger European partners away as well.



  • #109153
    Apiarist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034734#Comment_122034734

    I do . The casualty figure includes wounded :

    Breakdown

    Casualties

    Time period

    Source

    Russian forces

    409,820 losses[f] (180,000 killed)

    24 February 2022 – 25 February 2024

    Armed Forces of Ukraine[114][116]

    think these figures are reasonably accurate.

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  • #109154
    thomil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,924 ✭✭✭thomil


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034845#Comment_122034845

    As strange as it may sound, but France's aggressive nuclear policy might actually provide an extra deterrent here. France's "force de dissuasion" has two squadrons of Rafale armed with nuclear-tipped ASMP cruise missiles ready to go at any moment, in addition to the more "conventional" submarine-based ballistic missiles. From what I've read, France has a policy of a "nuclear warning shot" prior to unleashing its full ballistic missile inventory. From what I've read, this warning shot does not require the previous use of nuclear weapons by the other side, merely an indication that their use is imminent, and you can bet that Putin knows this. Should Trump win and disentangle the US from NATO, France could find itself with far more leeway to act and take that nuclear warning shot, and even sixty aircraft launched nuclear cruise missiles are going to hurt…badly.

    I don't find this scenario in any way likely, by the way. As a cold war kid, the thought experiment is "interesting", though…

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • #109155
    zerosquared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Found this article interesting and it touches on Ukraine regularly shooting down what Russians were claimed were unstoppable missiles

    https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-so-many-of-us-were-wrong-about

    makes an interesting point that US always downplays its capabilities while Russia overplays them and lies of course



  • #109156
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122033696#Comment_122033696

    Trumps so demented he doesn't know who hes talking to half the time. Throws out any old soundbite that is floating around in his goldfish capacity brain.



  • #109157
    zerosquared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Article gives a good overview of what’s in the bill in US Congress (its significant) with pork spread widely

    https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/31327


  • #109158
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,653 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034339#Comment_122034339

    Oh, they're a strong opponent all right. As Stalin observed, quantity has a quality all of its own.

    Your last line is a fallacious argument. It doesn't matter whether or not something can be done, what matters is what people are willing to try. We have ample evidence of leaders trying things which had basically zero chance of success. That they lost in the end did not prevent all sorts of chaos, destruction and death while the inevitable was played out. That is not a cost which countries should be willing to pay at the relatively cheap cost of preparedness and deterrence.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #109159
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122033696#Comment_122033696

    Hmm, have to say I have wondered what the Law and Justice party made of Trump's reckless comments about how if NATO countries don't spend what he deems enough [presumably with Lockheed and Boeing etc.], he will give a green light to Russia / Putin "to do whatever the hell they want". Whether they were horrifed, or just think it doesn't apply to them?

    I suppose we can see it here, they still believe if they just brown-nose Trump/MAGA enough and abase themsleves before him, he'll look out for Poland if in power, shur didn't we splurge a load of money on US weapons…! Seems like a kind of a cringing, servile mentality but there you go.



  • #109160
    jmreire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Meanwhile, in case people may be starting to think that there's no longer any morality left in Russian people…….think aagain!!!

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1780998504128688506


  • #109161
    zv2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122035385#Comment_122035385

    One casualty is a tragedy, a million casualties is a statistic ~Stalin

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • #109162
    macraignil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭macraignil


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122033231#Comment_122033231

    I believe they are released by the Ukrainian armed forces.



  • #109163
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034035#Comment_122034035

    Which Western sources are calling Russian military pathetic? The whole point is that Russia is a danger to Europe - if they were weak, they wouldn't be trying to murder their neighbours - after two years of fighting. No-one is losing interest in the conflict, we all know what Russia are on about.

    BTW, you forgot that you were supposed to be "neutral", and not "pro-Russian".

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #109164
    pcardin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pcardin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122033406#Comment_122033406

    and not only that. Reading and wondering what the heck is that stuff the dude is smoking. Must be very strong and certainly not available here in Ireland. Reminds me this dude.

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  • #109165
    zerosquared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2024/04/18/frozen-russian-assets-will-soon-pay-for-ukraines-war

    Nice, quick back of envelope calculation of $300bn invested (in western countries and companies of course) will yield 5 to 7% a year average

    Which is at least 9 billion a year recurring, and when the war ends funds won’t be returned until Russia rebuilds what it destroyed, and this stash be used as collateral for loans to Ukraine

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/g7-eyeing-using-frozen-russian-assets-as-collateral-for-ukraine-loans-eu-official-says/ar-AA1nfvQ2

    Russia funding its own defeat, which is great, no longer the volume of noise has increased so much in last few weeks, you can hear the squealing coming from Kremlin



  • #109166
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034734#Comment_122034734

    If people want to believe something that makes them feel better then what's the harm?



  • #109167
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    https://twitter.com/DailyTurkic/status/1780870794081436078?t=eLICs_jJ85O455EygaJ_rQ&s=19

    Kazakhstan comes to it's senses about Putin and cancels any celebration of Soviet victory in WW2 on the 9th of May.

    Putin spits blood as he says they didn't kill, deport and rape those in the countries they took over.

    Good on ye Kazakhstan.

    Putin claims he still has China as friends. China replies they don't celebrate May 9th either.

    A used car salesman from Kildare assures Putin they will be waving flags and Z's on the m50 in Ireland.

    *poor attempts of humour.



  • #109168
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Putin's representative in the area hit by flooding. Accuses Kazakhstan of flooding Russia. Vows that Putin will flood back as his control of weather is exponential.

    http://twitter.com/Gakruks1/status/1778046591552606264
    http://twitter.com/skrypnik_elena/status/1778003940623184223


  • #109169
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russia hit two Mig29 and took out an S300 it seems.

    Get Ukraine those Patriot systems!!

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • #109170
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russian troops and equipment are pulled out of Karabakh back to Russia.

    Azerbaijan now totally claims and seizes control of the area.

    http://msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-begins-withdrawing-peacekeeping-forces-from-karabakh-now-under-full-azerbaijan-control/ar-BB1lN5HV


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  • #109171
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russia has abandoned plans to rescue the iconic Airbus A320 that had to crash land in a wheat field in Siberia citing financial problems and trouble from sanctions from Airbus on the Putin state.

    http://yahoo.com/news/russian-airline-ditched-airbus-a320-152706622.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall


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