Russia - threadbanned users in OP

This is already happening and we are standing by....

Bucha, Bakhmut, Mariupol... The list goes on.

Isn't it amazing how all these people claiming to be neutral just end up spouting Kremlin talking points?

Well actually no it's not really. It's really the goal of Kremlin propaganda in the west. Their messages to Western audiences aren't designed to make people be supportive of Russia. No, instead they are designed to drag down everyone else - to muddy the waters if you will. They try to inject and promote cynicism in every target country. Given all of the social and economic problems in late stage capitalism in an era of accelerating climate change that's pushing at an open door.

You're certainly feeding us a bunch of nonsense about this conflict, dumping Russian propaganda here. If you can't see that it originated as Russian propaganda and that repeating it here makes you come across as pro-Russian - that's entirely on you. That's not questioning the 'official' narrative, that is lock, stock and barrel reposting the 'official' and completely false Russian narrative.

You have been completely unable to engage with any of the many posts discrediting your claims, responding with whataboutery and more propaganda and now playing the victom card. Utterly transparent tactics of someone who has lost the debate.

You pretend to be concerned about countries such as Poland and Ukraine, and yet you had zero answer to such points put to you as:

Those countries, when given the free choice to do so, either have or want to take their place in Western alliances such as NATO or the EU.

Many of us on this thread will have read literal essays penned by Putin on why he thinks that Ukraine can only be a partner of Russia. We've seen Lavrov talk to the BBC about needing to rid Kyiv of the 'drug addicts and neo-nazis' who were in power there (while keeping fairly quiet about Russia's PMC named after Hitler's favourite composer, but we'll leave that). We watched live the Russian security council convene a day or two before the invasion began as they stammered and shook before Putin.

We get far, far more of the Russian point of view in the West than vice-versa, that's for sure.

Jaysus man, you're parroting Russian propoganda, not marching over the bridge in Selma.

We could be off to the races again with the House Speaker. A couple of the dingleberrys in the Republican caucus are unhappy about Ukraine getting some help:

before Bucha, Mariupol , etc the likes of the Germans were sending helmets.

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They are pretty good at manipulating media and influencing elections. Funny too how their neighbours are russian to help them out or join them?

I stick to what I said in this thread over 2 months ago. This war will end in 2025, in Russia's favour, unless US aid is resumed. Unfortunately, I don't see it resuming.

Note the ISW have said the very same thing today - that Russia will likely win the war in 2025 unless the US resumes in the near future.

Given the fact that so many Russian talking points seem to infiltrate the forum and international politics at large, I'd say it's happy to say that it's pretty effective. The same posters who espouse the views are always entirely unwilling to admit that Russia is pursuing a genocidal agenda. You yourself have already made multiple efforts to downplay their actions and move to "what about America". The US aren't responsible for Russia kidnapping children, they're not responsible for the pursuit of destroying Ukrainian culture and they're not responsible for acts like Bucha.

Also it's not exactly surprising that Ukraine have no desire to negotiate handing over any territory after the invasion and genocidal acts against their citizens. The reality is, this is gonna be something Ukraine will take a long time to ever culturally recover from. So nope, not problems on both sides.

Ukraine continues to strike at moskovyte occupiers of their country with the hard work of millions of Ukrainian people still living in Ukraine. I don't think your prediction of Ukraine loosing is based on anything other than a bizarre love you seem to have for putin.

https://kyivindependent.com/sources-ukrainian-forces-target-command-post-in-russian-occupied-crimea/

Yes, it shares EU borders, NATO ones, and Putin is not going to cross them. Ukraine is different because its not yet in NATO, but it has started accession talks about joining the EU, and that's what the EU will not tolerate, a Russian state on its borders. In other posts above in reply to Veda Kind Yak, I covered the points you mention about Russian's fighting Guerrila wars. I know very well how Russia fights, I was in Chechnya, Afghanistan and more recently in Syria. And one or two other places too where Putin had a presence. There's a huge difference in a country where people are fighting for their very lives, and the lives of their families. and forcibly conscripted poorly trained and equipped, and worst of all, poorly led soldiers. Which is what the majority of Russian soldiers actually are. And as for how long it will take for Russia's internal collapse. I can't say for definite, but for sure, its started. The foundations are starting to crumble.And I'm hearing this from my friends in Russia. They have changed their attitudes a lot since Feb 24 2022.