Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

I keep looking at the Jordie Barrett signing and yes he is a direct Charlie Ngatai replacement who is capable of playing 10 through 15 but if Frawley ends up staying at Leinster next season, I can see Leinster using Barrett mostly on the Right Wing and inside center. For me if everyone is healthy and available, you put Barrett on the right wing. Imagine Barrett's boot on the right wing and Lowes on the left…..

If Leinster can now land Tupou or a improvement over Ala'alatoa, then they will be absolutely ridiculous to watch next season.

Even if we took his salary and spent it elsewhere, our squad would still not come within an asses roar of yours. Not even close. It's a red herring.

Hang on (again). At no point did I say anything about budgets matching, so once again the person throwing red herrings around is you.

The point about Kitshoff is that money was made available to sign a very good player. After that, it's up to Ulster to get the best out of him. The issue is that this very good player, fresh out of winning a World Cup, turns around 3/4 months later and he wants to leave? There is something very wrong with this picture and it's nothing to do with Leinster. Throwing more money (or players) at the problem without fixing it isn't the solution.

The "try to develop more talent" is the exact reason why this system will not work. 

It won't work as a quick fix, no. It will be years before it shows results, because the current mess is years in the making. It will take patience and no small amount of vision - but it is 100% the only solution.

Your alternative solution is to handicap the club that has been run well to help the one that has been run into the ground not by Nucifora or IRFU but by Ulster themselves. This is going back ten or twelve years and it has been a sh1t show for the duration.

But look, if you think Nucifora is the issue, let's see what happens when Humphreys gets into the hot seat.

And please, please stop saying you've made peace with it. You very clearly have not.

Nienaber and Jordie working together will be special. Additionally signing Bleyendaal as a back room coach would be the icing on the cake.

I don't buy that. They don't take the URC seriously for starters. And regarding Europe, in sport you can always have a run of upsets - just see man city in the champions league for 5 or 6 years be before they won it.

Leinster have been one of the top 3, if not top 2, teams in Europe over the past 5 or 6 years. Could even extend this back 10-12 years really. They have the majority of an all time Irish team, they shouldn't need the help. It wasn't because of lack of quality that they didn't get over the line.

I think we've seen that there's a huge desire play and stay for Ireland. Even sexton admits he regrets his move to France.

Do people not realise that provincial contracts are also funded by IRFU?

The practical differences are essentially zero.

Its not that long ago Munster fielding teams with a mix of Du Toit, Rhys Marhsall, Taute, Grobler, Kleyn, De Allende, Fekitoa, Snyman, Arno Botha, Cloete, Mathewson, Stander, Saili, Bleyendaal, yes i know a few were project players etc but when your 4-8 and 9/10/12/13 are South African or Kiwi, its not exactly aiding player development, which is odd as one prominent Munster twitter account seems to be overly concerned with the player development at Leinster. The one thing Leinster have got right in the last 10 years is player development. The provinces can never rely on 100% indigenous self produced players. James Lowe gave an interview on OTB a few years back about how he fitted into the Leinster setup and one point he made was NZ rugby has players from all sorts of backgrounds, but Leinster had a vast number from the schools background but it helps the squad to have a few imports. We have also seen that at coaching level with Lancaster Nienaber, Felipe etc.

Munster have gone through phases of Mafi/Tipoki,, Saili/Taute at centre. The justification put forward was they will be mentoring younger players. But who have they produced in that time? Rory Scannell? Yet in recent times its been De Allende, Fekitoa, Nankivell, Frisch since those two combinations previously mentioned.

Awec made the point about Munsters 1-10 of the noughties being a freak occurrence, maybe it was due to the AIL heyday back around then but what did they do to benefit from that in the long term? Was there an assumption that this would never end?

Of course not - he was a seasoned pro in his prime. But if the structures are put in place so that it's youth players moving, that dynamic changes completely.