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Republic of Ireland Team 2023/24 [old thread]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I wonder is there any danger that O’Shea would tell them to shove it when they ask him to do the June?

    Or simply that O’Shea gets another job in the meantime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭YTM


    I'd say there's no danger of O'Shea saying no. He wants to get into management and don't see anyone given him a management job between now and June.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    but it’s getting a bit demeaning for O’Shea

    They’re clear they’d rather have nothing than O’Shea, even after a 5-month farcical search where they made fools of themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,320 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The FAI probably have less of a clue then we have as to who will be appointed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    The arrogance or nonchalance of some on here mirrors that of the idiotic and negligent FAI who are their to pick up a wage but don't seem to really care anymore. Hill has literally given up. The players need to move on, they need a management team that they know are going to be running things for the next campaign. Those who say wait until someone better appears are just kicking the can down the road hoping something will turn up.

    I'd say there is a chance that O'Shea might tell them to shove it if they come to him again to say will you continue to caretake, while we sit around waiting for someone better than you to come along. Don't know where they would be then if he did tell them to shove it, maybe they think it doesn't matter. That's the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Exactly !

    How do you think we'll get on against England in September , must be chance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,403 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    What happens if they wait to lock in the bad choice late in the summer and his first game is England. Unless they can sort out a deal with Willy Sagnol then they shouldn't wait that late to make a decision. If Sagnol is main choice then I don't see much difference between him and Janne Andersson whose currently available.

    Just scrap this head coach thing of wanting the senior manager involved with other teams and let the senior manager focus on the senior team. Our last squad I believe had an average age of under 25. Any manager coming in will be working with a squad that's already had a group of young players integrated into the squad. Get them an experienced pragmatic manager that's gonna toughen the group up because this must be the softest group of Irish players ever.

    If they keep persisting with this head coach who'll do some work out of Abbotstown with the other FAI coaches then they might as well hire Chris Hughton now. Because you'll only get pound shop managers interested and out of the pound shop managers he's likely the closet you'll get to the head coach criteria you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    We'd have a better chance if a management team had their feet under the table for a few months in preparation for it.

    We should have appointed Neil Lennon. He wanted the job. He had a solid CV comparatively with a lot of other so called candidates. There was some chat about a story from his personal life from a several years ago, I really hope the FAI didn't baulk at the idea of appointing him because of a dated lurid English tabloid story. Wouldn't surprise me, they appear to have no balls. Neil Lennon's management career is checkered and after the way it ended with Celtic he was somewhat damaged goods, but so are we. He would have got the team galvanised in the short to medium term.

    Anyway that ship along with other ones seems to have sailed and the Irish men's national team remains rudderless. Yes that game v England in September should be one to look forward to but we probably won't have our act together for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭YTM


    I'm sure it was made clear before March's games that they'd rather have nothing than O'Shea but he still took the job. I'd love for him to turn around and tell them get stuffed because it would mean never having to see him in charge again until he's built up some experience of his own.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Such arrogance. Really not very clever arrogance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭YTM


    Awwww, you still upset that they told Neil Lennon get lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    😆That would be funny if it wasn't such a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭YTM


    Himself and Joey Barton can double as co managers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    No it wasn't.

    The announced that they had a manager already in place (so not nobody), but they couldn't start until beginning-April. That left them stuck for the March friendlies so they asked if O'Shea could help them out. When he announced his squad, people were asking genuinely if he had gotten input from the incoming manager.

    Now it is clear that they have absolutely nobody and no plan, were rejected by all serious candidates - but still wouldn't consider O'Shea. That's why I think it's demeaning now but not so much in March.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭TokTik


    or they had someone lined up and they changed their mind. It happen. In the last few days Juventus had everything agreed with Felipe Anderson, until he had a last second change of heart and decided he wanted to go home to Brazil


    And the only reason they gave April as a date was because of the whinging and moaning of fans and media who ‘had to know’ what was going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Regardless of which way you cut it, virtually all of the speculation has come from the media and bookies. The media have nothing to write about, so instead they start writing click-bait-$h1te about who it might be. Then it's not that person. Then people are screaming about it all.

    The FAI have done well to not put names out there, and for there to have been no leaks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    It really should have been as simple as them coming out with some non-commital "there'll be no comment while the recruitment process is underway".

    The FAI really made a rod for their own back with the April appointment talk. Unless it was agreed, there's no logic to it. Trying to blame it on the fans and the media is quite obnoxious as well. They are well-paid grown-ups, surely they can handle a few questions without panicking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,452 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    That is the ONLY reason they gave April as a date? Is there a press release on this?

    Of course the fans want to know what is going on. It is the biggest football news story in the country. We would be in a worse position if none gave a crap. I don't think it is unreasonable to question the competence of the FAI in this regard.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    They gave April as the date as they were certain Poyet was going to take it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭athlone99


    Bang on there. They should have just said when we have something to report you will hear it from us, in the meantime we are working to get the best candidate. Once they started spouting dates etc and not being able to meet them it makes them look worse. I for one don't mind the wait as long as it ends up the best person for it and not just jumping at someone. Sweden took 9 months or so to appoint a manager, so there is no rush, yes it would be great to have someone who could bed in ideas in the friendlies but we are at a very low ebb and will take some more time to go in the right direction.

    I just feel Delaney would have jumped at a Big Sam just to look good to the supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Of course, we can afford to snub our nose at Lennon. While you and a couple of others on here say the FAI should do nothing and appoint no one until after the Euros, that will mean we’ll be throwing someone in the deepend for the England game.

    If they go to O’Shea and ask him to continue as caretaker he should tell them if you want me to continue give me a contract. I’d prefer John O’Shea to someone like Keith Andrews, that’s who’ll be caretaking then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Yep they should not be waiting until after the Euros for a miracle and some manager with pedigree to become suddenly interested in a gig with extra responsibilities but for 500k a year and then his first game is a competitive fixture v England. They’re nearing the stage where they’re kicking the can down the road for the sake of it. A ridiculous suggestion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Kerry_2008


    This 'managerial search' seems to lurch from one misstep to another. Looking at it I think they had an agreement with Poyet but, wouldn't fork out for his son on the backroom team and Poyet called a halt. Then they went back around the houses once more but, there were no takers.

    Fair enough if they want to wait to get the right man in; if they have an idea of who the right man is. Each month they don’t appoint someone they are also saving a salary. I can’t see JOS being caretaker once more unless he has been promised the gig or a role in the backroom staff of the next manager.

    Unless they have decided they will wait out the Euros and see what becomes available afterwards. Even though I think any manger that got to the Euros wouldn’t like to take the Ireland gig. Or are they hoping Anthony Barry will be at a loose end by then? I cant think of any UK based manager that is seeing out their contract and be available in the summer. By ‘seeing out’ I mean still being paid as part of his settlement which will cease once he takes a new role. Make more sense to sit at home doing nothing for 2/3 million a year than take over Ireland for a fraction of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    That’s a big IF. So far in this saga that IF has looked unlikely.

    In my view they need to appoint someone for the games in June so that they get those two games to have a look and have a chance to figure out their best team for the competitive fixtures in September.

    If they can’t find anyone between now and June; give O’Shea a contract and let him learn on the job and prepare for the Nations Leagues campaign



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Exactly, and it’s not just the Euros in June that’ll cause more managers to be available. The end of season managerial merry-go-round will also start next month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭McFly85


    There’s no need to panic really. Having someone in for June would be nice but realistically it won’t have any bearing on the nations league game in September - anyone who could get us competitive against one of the best teams in the world after 2 games would be a miracle worker anyway.

    It would be awful to miss out on someone because we decided to give the job to O’Shea too early, but conversely, If O’Shea got a job and took himself out of the running, I don’t think many would be too upset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    So you think the manager’s first game should be a competitive fixture v England in September, that he shouldn’t get these upcoming friendlies to have a look at the squad and have those games to give him time to select his best team. You think that has “piss all bearing”?

    There’s no guarantee that we’ll get “a better manager” at the end of the summer after the Euros. That’s a hell of a gamble to take.

    Nope, they should appoint someone for these fixtures in June.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Chris Hughton approached by FAI again as speculation mounts announcement of new Ireland boss will be delayed

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/chris-hughton-approached-by-fai-again-as-speculation-mounts-announcement-of-new-ireland-boss-will-be-delayed/a1806943452.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭tigger123


    It's not really a gamble though. O'Shea would take the job now, and will most likely take it in June if he was offered it.

    You're not gambling anything.



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