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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Alibaba


    Very well said.

    Trump is a sick bully , who has nothing to offer except chaos and division.

    He has no place being anywhere near the Oval office.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,083 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump not going to court tomorrow quietly anyway but kicking and screaming and self martyring like a big baby

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/see-you-tomorrow-trump-ruefully-laments-how-just-4-years-ago-he-was-president-but-now-faces-criminal-court-and-legal-chaos/



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    So how long until TFG gets sanctioned for violating his gag order?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Bizarre that c.50% of Americans still want him to be the next president.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Its not though, it's half of the electoral college vote



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,308 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    less than half. he has never won the popular vote



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,925 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Do they? The country has over 330 million people and 60 million voted for him in 2016, not even a fifth of the total population.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,382 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    In fairness though, 74m voted for him in 2020. The only fair metric to use is the 2020 popular vote, because even though that's 74m out of 330m, Biden also only got 81m. Not everyone votes or can vote, but can't really say none of those would have voted for Trump either.

    Trump got just under 47% of the popular vote, so it's reasonable to say in 2020 at least, 47% of the country supported him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,177 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Learn something new every day. Robert E. Lee was Irish!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,925 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I forgot the number for 2020 which is why I went for the 2016 figure. It's not even a third of Americans though. I think the distinction is important.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Let's not split hairs here, it's essentially half of the voters. We can point to the electoral college and haggle over percentages, but he's already won and could win again. Criminal charges, rape, fines, scandal, gaffs, etc, etc - it all doesn't matter. Like the man said he could shoot someone dead and he wouldn't lose voters. It's by far the most insane thing I've seen in US politics.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's a measure of the damage that Trump and the far right have done to the institutions of the State over the last 10-15 years.

    They have essentially convinced a significant chunk of the US population that the "system" cannot be trusted and it fake and rigged against them.

    That is by far the worst thing that the MAGA movement has done , it has broken the faith in the country for millions of citizens who they have convinced that everything is fake unless a MAGA leader tells them otherwise.

    Hard to see how you recover from that scale and scope of mass indoctrination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,273 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You can make the same case for any president that they only got early/mid 30% of the vote.

    The electoral college system Is similar to TD's or MP's voting for a Taoiseach or MP's. Its a democratic system not 100% perfect but a he'll of a lot better than 70-80% of countries.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭randd1


    You don't. Not with the right in America the way it is. Nothing wrong being right wing in general, but when you allow religious extremism to become your manifesto, and have an absolute degenerate scumbag like Trump as your moral compass, they've effectively surrendered their sanity and identity to the warped logic of Donald Trump's scumbag gangster style deranged mental state and declared him God on Earth.

    They want a system where politics is utterly broken so they can reach a situation where the federal government no longer exists, a mad mix sort of like Russia where Trump is dictator instituting a religious system of governance and insularism like the Taliban. Sort of like the Divided States of Western Russia Trumpistan.

    Due to the rise of the ultra-religious right in America, at it's current direction and speed of it, it's either civil war, dissolution of the Union, or become an ungovernable and unforgiving police state which bans politics altogether. Or the right succeeds, and it becomes the Divided States of Western Russia Trumpistan



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    There is a Blackadder quote which seems apt today:

    Melchett: Anything to say before we kick off, Captain Darling?

    Darling: May it please the court, as this is clearly an open and shut case, I beg leave to bring a private prosecution against the defence council for wasting the court's time

    Melchett: Granted. Council, he is fined fifty pounds for turning up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,597 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Those people only have a thin veneer of religiosity to add a sense of righteousness to their exceptionalism. For this reason, it's easy to understand why the American Christian fundamentalists gloss over all that loving the least of one's fellows bollocks from the New Testament, but are all in on that bit where God hurls burning slag at Sodom and Gomorrah. To them, God's plan for the world includes one where America has an iron-clad white European ascendency. There's nothing specific about this in the Bible, but they're not going to let that stop them pursuing the goal. They'll twist the word of God endlessly, or pick and choose the verses of the Bible which would appear to superficially agree with this or at least aids progress towards it.

    They'd vote for Satan if he promised to establish the theocracy they want and defend their decision by saying that he was a 'baby Christian', as they've called Trump.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Truth Social stock getting absolutely minced in pre-market trading.

    And this is before the trial starts…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    He tried to pull a Zuckerberg on the co-founders by diluting their stock by issuing more shares



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    As it stands ,everybody but Trump is going to lose their shirt here - So pretty much a standard Donald Trump business model.

    He hasn't put a penny of his own money into this, so everything he gets from the shares is pure profit for him - He's got 75/80 Million shares already and now he's in line to get another 36M shares so even a share price of only a few dollars makes him several hundred million dollars for absolutely nothing.

    Con-man extraordinaire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    OK, don't go to town on me, but this trial is for the pornstar payment?

    what was the last trial for? Rape? and he has to pay nearly half a billion dollars, to who?

    or was it over valuing his properties?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yes.. The one starting is for the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels and unlike the others so far , this one is a Criminal case with the possibility of a Prison sentence if convicted.

    The two previous ones that have had judgements were both civil cases.

    He was found liable for sexual assault (but the Judge said we can call it RAPE) and was fined $83M dollars , on top of an earlier fine of ~$10M relating to the same case.

    He was also found liable for fraud relating to the valuations of his properties (High for loans/insurance , low for taxes) and was fined ~$450M plus interest for that one.

    Also up for consideration today is whether the bond he has submitted for his appeal of the Fraud judgement is valid.

    If it's found not to be valid (and it isn't in many many different ways) then the NY AG can start seizing his assets straight away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Thanks for the reply.

    Wow.

    how is this guy up for president.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agreed.

    The combination of that and Citizens United is what has the US is the absolute state it is in right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭thomil


    From my understanding, the most recent ones are as follows:

    • The "Half Billion" trial - This is a civil case taken by the state of New York against the Trump organization for overvaluing his properties to the tune of nearly half a billion US Dollars. Trump has been found guilty and been ordered to pay the entire amount, plus interest, to the state of New York. Trump is appealing but due to New York regulations, he is required to provide a bond for the duration of the appeals process if he wants to avoid having his assets seized. He can appeal without the bond, but his assets would be liable to seizure in the meantime.
    • The "Rape" trial - This is another civil trial, brought by journalist E. Jean Carroll, as far as I've been able to gather, under a special New York law that allows victims of sexual assault to bring charges against their attacker even after the statute of limitations had expired. Trump lost this trial and has been ordered to pay 92 million US dollars. His appeal was defeated, but he was able to find a company to guarantee a bond for the entire sentencing. This is a confusing one as I'm not sure whether the 92 million is purely for the assault, for a first defamation lawsuit that Carroll brought against Trump, or for a second defamation lawsuit because Trump just isn't able to STFU.
    • The "porn star" trial - This, as stated above, is a criminal trial brought against Trump by the state of New York with regards to his actions involving the hush money payments to Stormy Daniels. This does involve the prospect of prison time, and since this once again is being brought under New York state law, Trump wouldn't be able to pardon himself if he were to get reelected.

    This is just an extremely high level overview. Trumps legal matters have gotten so confusing it honestly breaks my brain. I don't envy people like Devin Stone, who runs the YouTube channel Legal Eagle, who try to stay on top of everything.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Reading the details of the submission from "DJT" this morning - They are applying to release another 21.5M shares AND to sell 146M shares.

    Now , there are currently only 136.7M shares outstanding so applying to sell 146M is basically ALL the shares outstanding and some of the newly created ones as well.

    The only way they can sell that many shares is if the 6 Month block is removed to allow Trump to sell his shares as he owns 75/80M shares already.

    So , basically they are cashing out and running for the hills, hence the absolute slaughter of the share price happening today.

    Ponzi-scheme , simple as that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,382 ✭✭✭✭Penn




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Stormy Daniel's knows all about that.

    Apologies for the mental image that now won't leave your head



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