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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Everything is limited, but the iron dome system is cutting edge. It calculates the trajectory of income rockets and if it calculates the rocket will land in uninhabited areas, it won't shoot it down. Israel being so small, they don't need long range interceptors, so each launcher can take 20 missiles, each battery has up to 4 launchers and they have 10+ batteries deployed. So fully stocked up, that's 800 missiles ready to defend before reloading. Really impressive system, tuned to their needs.

    So 50 missiles from Lebanon won't deplete Israeli AA.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,690 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Most of the Iranian missiles will be shot down. This is why if the Iranians do launch an attack they will try to overwhelm the Iron dome in the hope some get drones or missiles get through. I am still doubtful Iran will launch a direct attack. This could be psychological warfare and a way to extract concessions from America by limiting their response to proxies. They didn't go to war over Soleimani afterall , despite all the loud noises they made , they did sod all in the end



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Iran won't launch a direct attack. If they did, it may or may not be successful, regardless, there would be explosions in Tehran within hours and they won't see Israel coming. Iran are in a pickle, after all the bluster, they need to hit back to save face, but not too hard it elicits a strong Israeli counter response etc…



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,930 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Dozens more U.S. service members have been diagnosed with
    traumatic brain injuries following last month's Iranian missile attacks
    that targeted American forces at two Iraqi bases, the Defense Department
    said Monday, bringing the total to 109.

    Of those, 76
    patients have since been returned to duty, the Pentagon said in a
    statement. There were 45 more cases since the department's last report,
    and all 109 patients have been diagnosed with what it called "mild
    traumatic brain injury."

    Might look like sod all, but that's not for want of trying. They were lucky.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,379 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I'd be surprised if Iran launched a direct attack. Excuse the pun but Iran v Israel is David v Goliath.

    Iran has a large regional military on paper but it's light years behind Israel in terms of technology.

    Any strike on Israel would come back to them tenfold.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭thereiver


    Hamas are a ruthless terrorist organisation whose aim is the destruction of the Israeli state but this not mean that Israel is right to kill ,30,000 civilians many of which are women and children it also does not justify bombing most of Gaza into rubble they have killed many aid workers and made it hard to deliver food and water to gaza

    America has been the most powerful supporter of Israel probably because the Jewish vote is important to both political party's especially the democrats Biden is losing the youth vote due to his support of Israel he simply cannot afford to lose the Jewish vote it's also a fact that a large part of the liberal media are Jewish or strong supporters of Israel

    Iran has used proxys to attack Israel usually it does not want to get involved in a war with America it can supply an unlimited amount of drones and missiles to proxy groups to attack Israel Iran would not survive a full scale war with america or it's allies



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,083 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ruthless terrorist organization whose aim is the destruction of Palestine, targets international journalists, wounding 7. One lost her leg. They were traveling in clearly marked PRESS group

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/cnn-journalist-and-others-wounded-in-idf-strike-on-gaza-refugee-camp/



  • Registered Users Posts: 43 DoyleLoneganYouFollow


    "If it calculates that it won't land in a populated area then it won't shoot it down"

    How does that work?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,362 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Iran must be protected!

    Whens the pro-Iranian marches?



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    Seems that military assets are moving around Iran, at present:

    The US had observed Iran moving military assets around internally, including drones and cruise missiles, signaling that it was preparing to attack Israeli targets from inside its own territory, according to two people familiar with US intelligence. One of the people said that the US had observed Iran readying as many as 100 cruise missiles.

    If they have the sheer audacity to attack Israel directly, Israel should respond by terminating their nuclear ambitions for good.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,595 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The rockets launched from Lebanon and/or Palestine are unguided, short ranged and generally follow a predictable ballistic arc. That can be computed to a final impact point fairly easily and the Iron Dome is programmed to fire only if predicted arc impacts a populated area.

    Iron Dome is relatively cheap at @ $10k a shot but missiles are still a limited resource.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,690 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Israel by having the audacity to strike a consulate building, which is probably in violation of international law, had to expect a response.

    It was probably done by warmonger Bibi to try and open up another front to get America back onside and prolong his rule. I hope Iran does not give Bibi what he wants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    If Netanyahu really wants to go down that path, wouldn't be simply conduct another provocation against Iran?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,690 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If Iran is smart it will not make it easy for him to do so. If Iran does not escalate the situation, the Americans, since they are keen to avoid a wider war that will inevitably pull them in, should warn Bibi in private that such a move is unacceptable . Whether Bibi will listen is another matter- as we know he craves power above everything else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    A ruteless terrorist organisation supported and armed by the Biden Whitehouse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,362 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    All fair game to the Israeli murder machine, most moral army 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,930 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    In a similar vein, I think it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Putin persuaded Iran to get Hamas to launch the original attack. It's done a good job of stopping US aid to Ukraine and now he's on track to take the country. Also made for a great distraction with the world taking their eyes off his evil doings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    A very weak gaslightling attempt. It is quite clear who are the only party in that region who are able to unilaterally, and unprovoked, attack and kill their neighbours without any real fear of consequences

    It would be like a heavily armed mafia group going around and terrorising and murdering random people on the street, and then looking for sympathy because the public aren't that fond of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,300 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭combat14


    iranians are looking more like pirate terrorists by the minute



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Netanyahu must be losing his mind that he's failing to drag Iran into a full scale war. The longer Iran refuse to play his games the worse he looks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭chuchuchu


    "The three women who rang the doorbell of a Jewish nurse near Amsterdam last month initially seemed like neighbors paying a call.

    After the nurse opened the door on March 27, however, the women called her a “child murderer” and told her to leave the Netherlands, the nurse said. "

    “It feels like in World War II when the addresses of Jews were given out,” 

    "a woman who had forgotten to conceal her Star of David pendant, which she usually does, was called “rotten Jewish whore” by teenagers who chanted the insults at her at around noon in the center of Utrecht"

    several protesters disrupted a concert near Rotterdam by Lenny Kuhr, a Jewish singer. The protesters chanted “Zionist child murderer” 

    “it is now normal for Jews to be screamed at on the street. It’s more and more antisemitic,” Dutch Chief Rabbi Binyomin Jacobs told The Times of Israel this week. “People are scared and nervous,” 

    "Lots of Jews in Europe are afraid to go to synagogue, to send their kids to school, to show a kippah or a Star of David,”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/once-a-tolerant-haven-holland-sees-antisemitism-surge-as-jews-across-europe-scent-danger/

    If anybody wondering why Jews need a homeland. Antisemitism shouldn't be happening again in Europe, you can see how saying "child murderers" can be inflammatory because it will be interpreted differently by different groups.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,300 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Well the IDF should stop murdering children

    But I agree people should stop equating Jews as Zionists or even Israeli supporters.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Would you have the same opinion of all the countries the seized Russian billionaires' ships?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Iranians should release the crew and scuttle it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    And people still complain about Bucha. But the argument for its necessity can simply be proven by showing that after those incidents came to light, an unwelcome remark about them was made towards a Russian person in the Netherlands. Thereby proving Russophobia and hence the necessity of those actions in the first place!!

    Or does that kind of circular logic only make sense to you when it comes to the zionists?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    People keep claiming Israel is stealing land, yet look at the speed of Islam. This was not a peaceful conversion, it was spread through the tip of a sword.

    Jews were is Jerusalem over 4000 years ago (it’s in the Torah,) Jesus was from Bethlehem (as in the Bible), a Jewish city which is now in Palestine a Muslim country. Islamic invaders stole these lands, then the Romans kicked Jews out of Jerusalem. Boarders in this region have shifted for centuries, yet Jews have the best claim to most of the disputed lands.

    Turkeys capital was the Christian city of Constantinople, Muslim invaders sacked and slaughtered the whole city after Christian invaders sacked it during the crusades. Are the Turks going to hand it back to the Greeks, or even the half of Cyprus they stole?

    Hearing people take about genocide is more than rich considering how Islam was spread. Christian’s have been are still are being systematically wiped out in the Middle East.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It may surprise you to learn that there were a number of wars and conflicts not blamed on Muslims in Europe subsequent to your most recent reference point of 1700. You might not have gotten that far in the book yet.



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