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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    wont be the end of the world but it will be a right gut punch.

    lose this weekend and something has got to change.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I mean its the same in the sense that you don't get a trophy. In that extremely real practical sense, it be the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Yeah I've never understood people moaning about the bookies market. If you think La Rochelle should be favourites then you should put your money where your mouth is and put on a bet.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,228 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Of course it will devastate them. It'll also be fairly devastating to the fans.

    Anyone who says they won't be devastated losing to La Rochelle in a knockout game for the fourth time is a spoofer. To suggest it won't be a massive kick in the balls to the players if they come up short against the same team yet again doesn't stand up to any scrutiny for me, particularly when you take into account how La Rochelle have scraped their way into this position by the skin of their teeth.

    It doesn't matter if you lose by 1 point or 20 points, you can look for whatever excuses you want, "but sure we beat them in a group game" etc etc. The Clermont bridesmaids comparisons in this thread and others are on the money if Leinster lose again.

    Leinster must win this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    I have similar feelings to 2009 as we were getting ready to play Munster in croke park.

    Really feel we have to win this one.

    4 years in a row exiting to the same side is just too much



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Murray Kinsella is leaning towards a La Rochelle win, but also made a good point that failing to clear their lines was the reason for Leinster's loss last season.

    He counted at least 7 instances where Leinster kicked out on the full, sliced a kick or were penalised for a tackle in the air. It kept piling pressure onto the team and they started conceding points. Making sure we find touch at halfway will be very important to this game.

    Post edited by Clegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    If Leinster lose it will be an absolute kick in the bollox, but that can happen in sport (poor oul Mayo). I think we'll beat them, I'd have been more sure of it if James Ryan was playing, but I think we've good enough players and coaches to do it again. Hopefully it will put an end to this 'bottling' it nonsense that's spouted from some quarters. Sport is tough, especially when you're playing the best of the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,432 ✭✭✭crisco10


    I still haven't rewatched but that was one of my abiding memories. We made plenty of turnovers in our 22, but LAR would good at not giving us the holding on penalty, and then we messed up the rushed clearance. Didn't realise it was 7, that's a huge amount in (i assume) one half of rugby.

    Re the Bookies, I can't believe they have Leinster as more than 1 score favourites. Seems bonkers based on the head to head for these teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,962 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    We never should've lost last year. We were comfortably on top of them and smashing them physically. We won were dominant in the rucks, and turning over ball consistently. Some of the worst system failures with clearance kicks I've ever seen handed them the platform to score.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭tbm




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    La Rochelle were always going to have dominant spells in the game. The thing that will always rankle is how easy Leinster made it for them. Those botched clearance kicks will always stay in the back of the mind of Lowe, Byrne and JGP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭tbm


    Wouldn't disagree with any of that. And given who Leicester didn't have with them - Reffell etc… - maybe you're on to something. It was still a must win knockout game though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    You know the loss last year cut deep when JvdF aka The South African Bull aka The Seven Gates of Hell was down on his fecking knees crying into the dirt.

    I don't understand how Leinster are 7-8 point favourites for this game considering previous and the set-piece issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,717 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I don't understand how Leinster are 7-8 point favourites for this game considering the set-piece issues.

    Home advantage, La Rochelle aren't in great form - they were poor enough against a depleted Stormers and have lost 12 games this season.

    But no, I can't see it being anything other than a very tight game. Ryan is a huge loss, and I don't believe Keenan is properly fit either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    It really depends how you're defining 'devastate', is it closer to your 'kick in the balls' or the previous 'break the squad'? Those two are worlds apart.

    It would definitely be a kick in the balls but I believe it is hyperbolic that it'll devastate them to the point of breaking the squad.

    Totally disagree with your opinion regarding the manner of a loss. If Leinster lost by double digits in the last two finals and were miles off the LAR pace it would be a completely different story regarding how they'd feel and the actions that would be required for the team. Looking at win vs loss and ignoring the context seems shortsighted and lazy.

    To me there is little, if any, difference in the depth of pain Leinster will feel if they lose this weekend or lose in the final. Leinster's goal this season isn't to beat LAR, if it was that has already been checked off the list. The LAR boogeyman is a great narrative but matters little in the grand scheme of things - winning the trophy is where they are being judged and will judge themselves.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    To me there is little, if any, difference in the depth of pain Leinster will feel if they lose this weekend or lose in the final

    To me there would be a lot. I can't stomach losing to LAR again. I could take losing to Toulouse in a final - it's about their turn after we have hammered them so many times.



  • Posts: 95 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    only so far the siege / the “world is against us “ mentality can be used to motivate any group and LAR have used it for two years. Leinster should win this time.

    but one-score games are decided by referee decisions nowadays so nothing is certain. When history is written in rugby there is no room for caveats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    This might be me having already emotionally prepared myself in case we lose at the weekend.

    I imagine I'd feel incredibly frustrated if we have the likely celebration and back slapping of getting past LAR ('one where it counts') and then fall at the last hurdle, especially with the weeks of buildup and hype to the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Leinster were 8 point favourites in the final last year at home. Even if LaR aren't playing well in Top14 they've had Leinsters number. And I don't think Leinster are playing that great either. Ryan and Ringrose are massive losses.

    Skelton:

    Skelton got an early YC in the game v Stormers and he eventually was the difference in the end.

    He's some player. I still believe Leinster would have won at least 2 more European cups if it wasn't for him.

    Leinster simply must start Jenkins this time. His only job is to tackle, pull, drag and grab at Skelton for 60-65mins.

    The more I think about it the more I think they should go 6-2 this year. Conners, Conan and Frawley on the bench. I don't love it, but they have to do something different.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'd be shocked if we don't go 6-2, as much as I am not generally a fan



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    I think its very obvious that JGP is easily your most important player. His compatriot isnt the greatest 10 going so a 9s good performance takes huge pressure off Byrne and also off an inexperienced 12. leinster also play a lot off 9 very succesfully because he has the speed, vision and skills to let that happen.

    jgp makes the right calls in attack and blends forwards and backs seamlessly, he does a lot more in defense than someone his size should.

    Both attack and defense are excellent because of him and frankly whatever 9 is on the bench is a huge dropoff in quality and ability and means if they have to play significant time byrne has to take more of a play calling role.

    I think LAR will target jgp in defense and try and get him involved in a lot of physical work to try and slow him down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Possibly. I am not focusing on the league. I'd much rather a 5th star.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    What do they suppose breaking the squad will look like? Are they meaning that most players get benched?



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Picking Jenkins because of Skelton would be a poor call



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I want both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    With the way the fixtures are this year they've no excuse not to go all out for both and win them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Neither team are at the levels they were last year. The majority of the Ireland players are not where they were physically pre world cup.

    The closer the game gets, the more confident I get. We really should have beaten them in both finals. We have beaten them away from home this season already and they've had a lot of travelling.

    I'd be hesitant going for a 6-2 split. Asking for trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭OldRio




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Getting Blues’ selection right is key for Leo Cullen and Jacques Nienaber

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