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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I wouldn't be so sure. He was given extraordinary grace already with a time extension and a huge reduction in the bond, and Trump's team still f*cked around. I really don't know if they can give another extension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    This is the opinion of a former prosector, not a ruling. The court may or may not come to the same conclusion.

    The prolonging of consequences for 45 is proof that there are two justice systems in the US. If you can afford to, you can file spurious applications and appeals and tie the system up in knots. I am certain there will be a reckoning, but it is such a painfully long wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    IIf A bond is posted it must be in the form of cash or a cash alternative (lean on shares or a companies cash flow) Chubb would have given such a bond.

    Trumps problem if the bond is incorrect the judge may allow seizure without appeal.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Trump is always given special treatment (as are plenty of other rich people). His lawyers will claim that it was all correct except for one of two issues, completely innocent and that it will be rectified in short order. Asking for an extension of three weeks, maybe slightly more, as the client is extremely busy and has little time to allocate to such a trivial matter.

    He will be given extraordinary treatment again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Again though, the extension of 10 days he was already given, was that special treatment, as was the huge reduction in the bond amount. If Trump and his team squandered it, that's not the court's problem, and the fact they have already granted him that extraordinary leeway means Trump can argue about unfair treatment all he wants, but it's now demonstrably without merit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,321 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    think about how much he has skirted over the years. Years. Years. This guy raped. This guy stole national security information and was reckless as all hell with it, likely shared or leaked it and he’s still. Not. Faced. Any. Actual. Consequences.

    don’t be certain they’ve finally run him out of room there until his name is chiseled off the building.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Everything about the bond is dodgy as hell.

    • The company isn't properly registered as a Bond provider.
    • They don't have the funds available to cover the bond.
    • They don't have sufficient capital to meet the Bond rules (no single bond greater than 10% of capital , Trumps bonds is 127% of their available funds).
    • Trump didn't actually give them the money/surety he just "promised" he would, which is against the rules.
    • The text of the bond actually says "Trump will pay" and not the Bond company , again in breach of the rules.
    • The text of the bond says that it covers "a total sum not exceeding $175M" which doesn't cover the fees, penalties, interest etc.- Again a breach of the rules.

    Absolutely nothing about the bond is valid yet they gave him another 10 days to "resolve" the issues.

    And that's before you get into the fact that it would appear that Trump and his lawyers lied when they appealed for the reduction in the bond as they actually had an offer for the full amount but claimed they didn't to get the reduction.

    ANY other person would already be in jail and have had all their assets seized many times over.

    There was an article I saw the other day that listed out dozens of instances where "normal" people had been utterly destroyed because they had been put in jail because they couldn't afford to post a bond - Including people who died as a result and they were only the "high profile" cases .

    There are literally thousands of people every year that have their lives ruined because they can't afford a few hundred dollars to post a bond , usually for non-violent trivial cases like driving offences etc. but this abomination of an excuse for a human just gets to skate on by over and over , all the while claiming to be the worst treated person in the history of the world.

    He disgusts me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭randd1




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And the irony on all this? Trump's initial success was built off exactly the kind of valid, anti establishment anger towards the obviously lopsided systems of America that punish the poor and forgotten. A not inconsiderable volume of (predominantly white) voters believed Trump's promise to drain the swamp and shake up Washington's latent unfairness ... and it turned out he was the biggest alligator in it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Trump will attack these guys verbally and hurt them financially, if he can after Nov election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭political analyst


    How would he hurt them financially? If he wins, his administration would probably be acting unlawfully if it terminated those retired military officers' pensions.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's quaint that you think something being illegal would stop Trump from doing something…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭political analyst


    SCOTUS would rule against him. If Trump thinks that dismissing government lawyers who disagree with him would mean that he would be victorious then he has forgotten about the 'Saturday Night Massacre'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Didn't he do that with Andy McCabe? Forced him to litigate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Reading Doppelganger by Naomi Klein atm and one of her points is that people like Bannon and Trump latch onto real concerns but basically sell their own warped versions of it. So their version just generally misses the real issues and it pulls in really random supporters as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    He still had to go through the stress of a case…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To have forgotten about it he'd have to know about it in the first place , which I doubt - It wasn't about him so it's not information he retains.

    If Trump gets elected , there will not be a single person in his administration with a spine who will tell him when he is doing something illegal/stupid, they will all smile and nod and tell him he's awesome and nothing more.

    He will ride roughshod over anything and everything and he will fight in the courts for years if people try to challenge him.

    As as everlast says , he's already done it and it took McCabe years and lots of money to over-turn it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭political analyst


    It was a civil case that was about wrongful termination of employment - it's not like he was accused of murder or, worse still, sex crimes that allegedly took place decades ago!



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Nothing alleged about the Sex crimes - Confirmed in a court room.

    Trump is a Rapist and a fraud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I never said there was any such thing alleged in McCabe's case - I said "it's not like he was accused of …. sex crimes" in order to create perspective because there is no way that a civil case about wrongful termination would be as stressful as being prosecuted for alleged historic sexual offences.



  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭randomuser02125


    Stressful for who? Tiny the rapist or his victim? And again, there's no alleged. It's proven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    You've let your mask slip there a little there…

    Do you think justice has a time frame? These are no longer alleged crimes, he was found in a court to have committed sexual assault.

    Do you think it's ok to commit crimes of a sexual nature if you can get away with it for a few decades?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I wasn't referring to Trump - it was an hypothesis on my part on what if McCabe had been accused of murder or sexual offences, which he wasn't. My point is that McCabe's case was a civil one about wrongful termination and so it wouldn't be as stressful for him as if he had been accused of crimes. If you'd read my posts properly then you'd know what I meant.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Oh don't worry , we all know exactly what you meant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭randomuser02125


    Ok, to remove all doubt (because you picked a weirdly specific worse trial to have to go through) do you agree that Tiny raped E Jean Carroll?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Trump will find a way lawfully or unlawfully to punish these guys, maybe under "dictator for a day" status, Trump and the law are strangers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Indeed ,very clear to me what he was bullshitting.

    Seems to be some kind of a game to see how stupid we can look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Mr "I'm innocent on all charges" tries yet again to delay the trial that will vindicate him (and fails)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Hey "I'm perfectly happy to downplay a woman being sexually assaulted" guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Clearly, I'm just slow on the uptake, but Saturday night I am watching the Lego Movie(for about the 3rd time!), and I get a sudden realisation. The villain in the movie Lord Business:

    Is DJT.

    Sorry, clearly I am as thick as a brick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,321 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Those retired generals who criticised Trump would have the resources to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,321 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The mask slips again, but what are you even talking about here, I assume it's being irate that some Generals filed an amicus brief (which is cost-free to do really), but Gen. Mike Flynn had no similar resources and depended on a criminal pardon from Trump (thereby accepting guilt for his crimes)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Haven't seen the movie, but the lego character you posted has more realistic looking hair.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    100% voting from a nursing home shocker. Maybe postal voting for those who can't easily make it to a polling station is a good idea?

    As people tend to lean more to the right with age surely the GOP would be all over getting more seniors to vote however possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Ah okay.

    That makes it alright then. You've convinced me.

    45 can go in and fire who he likes without cause, as they have the ability to spend tens of thousands of dollars, time, worry and stress in order to wait years for an uncertain ruling which may or may not be in their favour.

    Or, and hear me out here, he shouldn't and you don't think he should either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,910 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Sure remember when trump fired Alex Vindman's twin brother, Eugene a lt. colonel at the time, solely because Alex testified before the Senate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    https://thehill.com/homenews/4580429-house-democrat-on-naming-prison-after-trump-he-might-be-visiting-soon/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,175 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm trying my best not to hope that Trump's block-headed arrogance will somehow still result in him losing his properties sooner rather than later. Trying not to hope that maybe over the course of the summer we could perhaps see those gold-plated Trump letters crowbared off Trump Tower, while Truth Social ends up bankrupt and to finish off the trifecta; Trump is maybe even crimanally charged over the hush-money thing.

    I'm trying not to hope that, because the Orange rapist has the Devil's own luck it seems. Something stupid will come along to give him a break…again. I will be surprised if he actually starts to face consequences. Plesantly shocked…but shocked nonetheless.

    With this hope I also have to wonder; if Trump lost the Trump Org, and was reduced to scraping the bottom of the now-spartan GOP funding barrel, could he still keep going? Already now, he's reduced the amounts of events or Trump rallys he's doing. He never really paid venues for even the 2016 rallies, but I'm guessing there is a whole host of practical day-to-day costs that you'd need just to make a rally happen, with cash on hand. My guess is that he's already critcally low on cash. If all of the things that should happen to him come to pass during the summer, what will he do?

    He can of course still rant on Social Media. Arguably this was the most impactful marketing tools he had in 2016, and in the Twitter days it was essentially free for him to use it (none of this Truth Social nonsense). The Trump Cultists will still rally around him, but will he have the means to reach any other voter? The Biden campaign has loads of cash, and their canditate isn't pouring the contents of the warchest into legal bills or payments. Could be very one-sided marketing on the US airwaves in the run up to November, with only one side with enough cash for adverts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Presumably the stats are showing that even OAPs are swinging towards the Democrat vote; probably makes sense given an ageing population where the Boomers and GenX types start to die off. Nor is it surprising because on many key national issues the GOP are distinctly not representing the majority view … so of course given they're modus operandi is to have power at all costs, the solution is to make it harder for any and all people to actually vote.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agree with you on the "I'll believe it when I see it" aspect of Trump actually feeling the consequences of his actions.

    However , if those consequences do come to bear , the impacts will be rapid and very significant.

    Trump entire business empire is a house of cards held together by layer after layer of loans and promissory notes and some very specific cash flow requirements.

    He claimed a few months ago to have ~$400M in cash/liquid assets and the general consensus was that that figure was probably about right.

    However the problem is that those assets largely cannot be touched as they are part of the terms & conditions for several of his loan agreements - Because he is deeply untrustworthy and has a long long history of stiffing lenders, his recent loans have come with stipulations that he hold X amount of liquid assets as collateral for the loans.

    If the bond fails to get sorted on Monday and the NY AG is given the go ahead to seize assets , she'll empty the bank accounts first as those are the cleanest and easiest to do.

    But - If he doesn't have that cash on hand , then he automatically defaults on multiple loans and be also has no money from which to pay the other loans which then starts the cascading effect of foreclosures and asset seizures.

    TL:DR - It actually won't take much to utterly destroy him , removing a single brick from his jenga stack business and the whole lot collapses around him.

    Post edited by Quin_Dub on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,175 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Ah…yea….it all sounds so wonderful, and I really hope your nicely detailed description of how f*cked he is will come to pass. It's just that it's the hope that gets ya.

    I would delight at the prospect of a summer full of foreclosures and unending failure for a man who bar very few others would deserve all of the misfortune in the world rained upon them.

    If we're here next week looking at Trump's world collapse around him, I will gratefully toast your prediction. But again…I can't let it be real in my head until I actually see it happen.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Right there with you - until we see bailiffs changing the locks etc. I won't believe it either.

    He does seem to have an incredible ability to wriggle off the hook over and over for sure.

    But , a big big part of why he is fighting every little thing tooth and nail is that he knows how tenuous it all is , he knows that a single decent sized financial defeat and he is f*cked completely.

    Even the E Jean Carroll ruling - If he has to hand over that cash , the knock-on effects to his overall business are potentially catastrophic.

    If he loses that and the NY Fraud case his entire business "empire" is toast - He will lose everything* and there will be nothing left with the Trump name over the door.

    *Rich persons version of "losing everything".. He'll still be rich and lead a charmed life compared to you and me , but on a relative scale he'll have nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,321 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ah…yea….it all sounds so wonderful, and I really hope your nicely detailed description of how f*cked he is will come to pass. It's just that it's the hopethat gets ya

    Yup. Never underestimate how broken the US system already is (especially with about 70 million people still voting for the guy in 2020)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    We can take interim solace from the ongoing collapse of his nonsense "social media empire".

    Share price down another 9% today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Trump is keeping very quite about DJT, is it possible he has already pulled a stroke on it before it hit the Nasdaq, the auditors are total shlte and look handpicked by him.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I doubt it, the SEC will be all over that stock.

    Also, he owns like 70% of the stock, if he was shifting any you'd see it in the volume.

    Part of the reason the stock price is all over the shop is that there are so few shares being traded and in such low volumes because it's all Mom & Pop MAGAs buying it and not the big trading desks



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