Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Not sure what your saying here - the figures are on the article I linked earlier.

What you said originally made it seem like only 4k out of all the asylum seekers entered Ireland without documents. When in fact at one port of entry 85%(4007 individuals) of all asylum seekers presented without documents - that’s my whole point - it’s not personal. It’s a massive problem if those figures are similar in the rest of our port of entries.

You said : “It was less then 4000 people arrived at Dublin airport without documents last year, there's an awful lot of shouting and roaring by people for just 4000 people. “

The just 4000 people is the part that’s misreprested by you. It’s many more as we have many more ports of entry and likely many people arriving cross border without going through a port of entry.

You are constantly quoting and trying to pick holes in other posts. Its stands to reason that you are on the side of the current policy.

And I'll repeat my previous point, it is still 80 extra beds a week we have to find. Beds that are required for genuine cases. We are putting them in tents, there is no space. Any chancers should be deported asap.

That money is for the refugee industry, have you even thought of the consequences of tightening up our free for all would have on it!

A mere 85% are off the plane with no passport, between 50-70% of asylum seekers have tried for asylum elsewhere and now a government report says 60% are bogus.

Now can we all light a candle for the NGOs as the bad news keeps coming. And remember as Leo said Saint Patrick was an undocumented migrant too!

It might sound crazy to you but the idea is to reduce pressure on housing and services by acting on something largely within our control, the issuance of work visas.

As many other countries have found, trying to control the number of IPAs or undocumented workers arriving is extremely difficult.

I don't see what your no-id no-entry approach will achieve. Rather than 'piss off the airlines' people would simply be left on the runway, and the state in practicality would still have to deal with it. A pre-clearance system could be introduced whereby we work with airlines and departure countries effectively to screen out anybody who might seek asylum without documentation. I'm not sure to what degree this is covered by the new EU immigration pact, but I'd see it as being of little use here, given the open border up north and the impact it would have on tourism and business travel.

Should we also ban all irish people buying homes abroad?

You are saying that someone from the US cant buy a home in ireland? So a person working for an MNC cant purchase here because they arent an irish citizen? Even if they own the company and are proposing to bring hundreds of jobs here?

What do you think a rule like that would do to the economy?

MNCs are not going to base themselves here if a significant percentage of their staff cant purchase a home.

Considering the majority of our newly registered doctors each year are foreign, you would expect them to work long hours and save lives in our hosptials but not be able to purchase a home?

They would leave in an instant if that were the case and the country would be completley fooked.

We shouldn't be allowing foreign nationals to buy Irish houses during what is an extended catastrophic housing crisis. When we Irish people struggle and have to compete with others in their homeland. It's infuriating. Iv seen Freedom of Information requests received from co-councils from around Ireland showing the amount of foreign nationals on the housing list and those in receipt of HAP compared to the Irish. I'm waiting to get a copy of them to post the result here. Its blood boiling to see.

There’s a couple of reasons we allow it though. For one thing first and foremost it means they’re more likely to stay in the country and put down roots, becoming Irish citizens and starting families. Second reason is the investment is in residential property, not “Irish houses”, they are properties, keeps the value of Irish residential properties high, and that’s kinda important if you’re a homeowner who values your property, as homeowners tend to do, and vote for parties which serve their interests in doing so. It’s for this reason SF are unlikely ever to be in power with their nonsense ideas about wealth tax and housing 🙄

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/10/04/sinn-fein-would-tax-banks-and-high-earners-to-fund-housing-and-cost-of-living-supports/

People on the housing list, HAP and other schemes aren’t investing in property, no idea why you’d bother making an FOI request when providing they meet the criteria for housing and accommodation, they are entitled to it, regardless of how much fuss is kicked up in the media to pit groups of people against each other and fuel misinformed nonsense that gets people riled up.

https://simoncoveney.ie/2017/03/02/69/

Also audio of coveney stating this I'll dig out

would you get off the fence and state your opinion for once.

Do you accept that there is a correlation between those that claim to have no documents and bogus applicants?

Do you accept that if we were harder on bogus applicants and deported them, we would have more bed capacity for genuine cases?

Welcome until you try an get a doctors appointment or access disability services. We also have a serious problem with people coming from EU countries that have no intention of ever working or part supporting themselves in any way. I am glad I do not have to make policy decisions around the issue.