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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭lostboy75


    @MisterAnarchy thats a 'they are equally bad' argument again and no right minded person should be capable of believing that! Trump's only concern is himself and only himself, I doubt his family even enters that equation.

    Yes Biden is old, but that's about all that's against him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Doc07


    I agree with most of this and don’t want to go too much OT.

    I hate all Trump has represented since 2016, he has normalised lying at the highest levels and sows hatred and division among Americans and others. He and his enablers are disgusting and a terrible example to anyone. Anyone on here trying to say ‘but Biden does x,y,z ‘ are usually just playing ‘both sides’ silly buggers.


    But, can we separate out anti-vax from the rest of the Trump anti-science/anti-lockdown/anti-Fauci etc. Yes he should have show a better example as a leader in backing (and not defaming) his scientific advisors….but he took the vaccine and publicly at least once said others should take it also.

    Sorry for pedantics but it’s important to be accurate with Trump criticism as in the separate war against the anti-vax crazies who are wreaking havoc, they need to know Trump took the vaccine, just like they need to know more local ‘crazies’ like Edwin Poots and Peadar Tobin were not anti-vax.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He took the vaccine after catching the virus and having paid a measly $750 in tax. He demonised Dr. Fauci, a world expert and spent more time coming up with racist nicknames for the thing than doing anything constructive. He also dismantled Obama's pandemic preparedness office, presumably out of spite.

    In a pandemic, speed is everything. When it hit, I honestly thought he was guaranteed the win in 2020. All he had to do was mix Dr. Fauci's expert counsel with his salesman's shtick but he was too toxic and stupid to do even that.

    I don't know who Poots and Tobin are and they don't sound like relevant names in this discussion.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Doc07


    grand and I was reluctant to post as don’t want to derail thread with serious issues I have with the anti-vax movement.

    Believe it or not we are 99.9% in agreement on Trump (as in he’s disgusting and should never have been nor never again should be within a million miles of public office) Your post basically repeated mine so we should be fine 😀



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Not relevant no, but Edwin Poots, former leader of the DUP and creationist and Leader Tobín, leader of Aontú and former SF TD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump is calling for Israel to FINISH the war. Not to end it peacefully, but to FINISH it. The result of that is the slaughter of more innocent Palestinians, running the survivors out of Gaza altogether, effectively erasing Palestine from history.

    But yeah, both are bad, not a Trump supporter, wish younger candidates, run away for a while until Trump says something derogatory about immigrants and you can come back with "LOL DADDY TRUMP! LMAO"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Both are bad, but definitely trump is worse. But Bidens bad approach to Gaza is more likely to negatively affect his re-election chances. And he only has himself to blame for that. Be ironic if Bibi scuppers Biden's re-election given they seem to have always hated each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What would be a good approach to Gaze in terms of Biden's reelection chances? There's certainly a more moral approach in my opinion, which would be to restrain Israel in its ability to slaughter innocent Palestinians, but does that match with the desires and prejudices of his voting base?

    A much greater proportion of Trump's base probably view the Palestinians as less than human, whereas Biden needs to do a bit more straddling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Not supplying Israel with weapons the same day he tells them to not attack rafah perhaps. His actions and words to Israel send mixed messages to Israel on what he wants them to do. His behaviour at the gathering he had with doctors thst had worked with in the region this week indicated that he really doesn't care about civilian deaths in Gaza.

    Post edited by Sudden Valley on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    But that isn't a Biden response. That's a US response. Most senators and congress members would be in complete agreement that Israel is to be backed unequivocally.

    It would be great if Biden could put the US on the right side morally on this but he is doing what America has always done and, at least to date, what most Americans are in agreement with.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    But Bidens bad approach to Gaza is more likely to negatively affect his re-election chances

    And if that's true then every American left of centre are idiots for putting this issue above their own country's direction and stability.

    I know voters are juking the primaries in protest of Biden's approach to Gaza but if in the national election they are that ideologically short sighted, maybe America isn't worth saving - even if the ramifications would be global.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think you are wrong, public sentiment is against this action. They will vote on his re election,. Biden does have power and has chosen his path.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I would agree that it would be short sighted to vote for Trump but it just seems odd that Biden should not any blame for turning voters off him. If he is indifferent in supporting the killing of civilians in the tens of thousands in a foreign land and that what's puts off young voters who are against this action or people of the same religion of the victims then perhaps he should have seen this coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    How will Biden lose votes? What alternative is there?

    The GOP, and Trump, are 100% behind Israel. So a voter will opt for Trump rather than Biden on what grounds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Well there wont be any further reason for war if they kill all the Palestinians taps nose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    They may not vote at all. That is a bigger risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,326 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    after ordering Republicans to block any border reforms, Trump tries to shift blame to Biden by twisting his own bloodbath remark

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/trump-runs-big-with-biden-bloodbath-theme-on-rally-signs-emails-and-new-website/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭briany


    At this point, I have to wonder if his campaign team are mulling over the possibility of him going to jail as a stunt to boost his polling numbers?

    As a former president, Trump would get the easiest, most secure incarceration possible. No gen-pop for him. Either house arrest or his own wing with a dedicated security detail, so it's not as if he'd have any of the fears about prison that lesser people would.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Hope they send him to Epstein's cell, memories will flood back into his head, switch to overload, heart attack, game over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Merchan should oblige him……….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,100 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Could someone just jail him for feck sake. It's embarrassing at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,077 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Trump's lawyers in NY could well be about to go through some stuff. Regardless of whether Hankey can actually cover even the lowered bond whilst still meeting regulatory reserve requirements. They according to Hankey, had an offer in place to cover the original bond amount.

    In an interview with ProPublica, billionaire California financier Don Hankey said he reached out to Trump’s camp several days before the bond was lowered, expressing willingness to offer the full amount and to use real estate as collateral.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,326 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Unfortunately large amounts of moderate Americans may decide not to vote at all over this Gaza war … handing Trump and his madmen victory … the future then is an Iran war …. a nasty recession … an oil crisis … and attempts to erode democracy in the US …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    If he was anyone else he'd be jailed …. January 6th 2021 was a terrorist act and an attempt at insurgency initiated by his rhetoric …. how many ISIS and Al Qaeda 'preachers' went to jail? Didn't Timothy McVeigh get executed back in 2001? … and didn't the QAnon Shaman and Baked Alaska do time ?? …

    Trump needs to go to jail too … and others involved too … the whole Republican party is a putrid mish mash of the total dregs of American politicos …. and it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up sans people like Marjorie Serena Joy and Jim Jordan … the likely spares in waiting should Trump go to prison (they'd release him) …

    Trump re-entering office would be the worst thing ever for the world …. we already have Ukraine and Gaza wars … the very last thing the world needs is Trump's Iran war …. at the rate things are going … slow courts and many moderate Americans not wanting to vote … Trump and his mad regime could gain power and land the world into the Iran war in 2025 …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Clearly the award isn't enough to stop him defaming her.

    Drag him back in and double it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    They did this in 2016 and looks what happened: I genuinely don't believe liberal America is that hysterically myopic to think abstinence is gonna be the right move against the prospect of a demonstrably more deranged Trump promising scorched earth.

    Was it ever thought he would? Alex Jones was ordered to pay a billion for his contemptible Sandy Hook theorising, and as of December has offered a paltry 54 million; American justice allows the rich or business owners plenty of ways to escape the punitive actions demanded of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I mean they already voted for him once, while the idea of them not being stupid enough to repeat the same mistake again is good, buuuuut America still hasn't figured out why it has so many school shootings so it wouldn't be surprising if they are that thick.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    How is he going to get out of paying her?

    He's already posted bond, which secures the payment unless he overturns on appeal.

    His appeal might reduce the award, so she may get less, but she will get her money.

    Btw - that appeal is looking less and less likely to succeed because he won't shut his mouth.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I seem to remember in 2020 the same liberal narrative mind you: all this hand wringing about what a terrible corporate democrat Biden was, a warmonger, same old establishment, not liberal enough etc. etc. When the rubber hit the road common sense took over though and so I'm clinging to the belief all this Gaza anger won't translate to self-sabotage in November. We're seeing these protest votes at the Primaries but in fairness it's a fairly harmless context to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yep it really would show just how comically broken and utterly moronic the country is if it actually decides Trump will do what Biden wont and.....save Gaza?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Panrich


    The Chubb CEO will hopefully be squirming a little uncomfortably when he sees Trump still running off his mouth. Quite right too.

    A fool and his money about to get parted and prima Donnie won’t care or pay up, no matter what is backing up the bond. Maybe Chubb will become the official locks partner to the US Government if he gets re-elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    The bond isn't Trumps money for a start. He'll owe it if he loses the appeal, and even then will probably go to court over paying that back

    He'll keep appealing the EJC case until one of them is dead.

    I have as much chance at being President as E Jean Carroll does of getting 91 million off Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "The bond isn't Trumps money for a start. He'll owe it if he loses the appeal, and even then will probably go to court over paying that back"

    But she'll get the money, and he'll owe it. That was my point.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Trump doesn't care about that money anymore. It was someone else's money that got paid as the bond. He'll lose the appeal. EJC will get paid. Trump will whine on the remains of his social media site. He'll get taken to court again. The person who paid his bond will chase him for the money. Trump will delay and not pay.

    It's true that Trump won't hand over money to EJC, but she'll get paid. Trump just then has debts to someone different.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Suppose if Trump gets in there probably won't BE a Gaza left to save, so watch him be declared peacemaker as Trump hugs Netanyahu over the rubble of Gaza & the former's success where Biden failed. I can already predict the posts here ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,326 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    who does he want to step in, another “lone wolf?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    There are some very nasty people in America who will vote for guys like Trump …. we must remember Trump is pandering to them and selling himself to them …. not they following him …. Trump was once a pro Obama moderate but now has sold out to madmen and dimwits ….

    Hardline Americans are often lacking in education, in job prospects and in common decency … even when one confronts their hateful remarks regarding Biden's 'dementia' they continue to be heartless idiots …. even when one reminds them they too may end up with illness …. these people are truly evil and are the reason why we have candidates like Trump selling themselves ….

    America if it can produce these vile creature has something wrong within it …. this crowd have been the inspiration for countless American dystopias like The Handmaid's Tale, The Postman, The Testaments, and even a new one called simply Civil War … and that is where America is heading … into some kind of a real world Republic of Gilead … if Trump and eventually the real fanatics he panders to gain power ….

    Their hatred will lead America into a dangerous protracted war with Iran which will see the Paydari regime eradicated within a few weeks followed by a dangerous and economy ruining period of insurgency, chaos and piracy …. Tea Party fanatics have been calling for the Iran war for years … and Trump got very very close to it in 2019/2020 and perhaps only Covid halted it …. next time around he will resume this war and this time there won't be Covid 19 or any moderates in his cabinet to stop him and his even more fanatic henchmen from starting this evil war …

    At home Trump and the eventual rise of the real leader of this vile 'Republic of Gilead' movement will start curbing people's freedoms …. purging the Republicans of all moderate voices and this has been almost complete already … then moving to ban the Democrats and then imposing a watered down version of the Handmaid's Tale society …. it won't be as draconian as that but be sure that white far right males with a chip on their shoulder will have much more rights than anyone else ….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    you can be sure …. Trump would sell himself as 'peacemaker' … Ukraine the same … he may get lucky that these wars run their course …. but Trump will say he has been the 'peacemaker' …. and then he will commence his main plan … bomb Iran and kill millions of innocent people …. leaving yet another country in ruins ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    This Trump saying he is America's Nelson Mandela … what an insult to Mandela … Trump is an opportunistic failed businessman pandering to a vile group of individuals who should never be encouraged …. Mandela was a true leader fighting against the very kind of racist oppression Trump's racist followers would seek to impose …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    At the current rate of destruction will there be a Gaza by November or January?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭Field east


    I think that the Hamas /Hamas side have got cameras /video capability too so it would be hard to keep the destruction of buildings , human suffering, etc, etc under raps!!!!!!!!!! What a naieve comment from Trump



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭ronjo


    This is 100% the biggest risk to Biden.

    Trump has a very high floor but low enough ceiling so his supporters will come out no matter what.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The scuttlebutt is that Trump's trying to strangle Ukraine of arms (through diktats to the GOP cult) so Kyiv runs out and basically have to accept Russian peace-terms; then in comes Trump to proclaim "Biden's" war is over and peace has arrived. We already know the Border Bill has been killed 'cos Trump wants the glory.

    Nothing about this has been confirmed, but it's a circumstantial chain of events that read valid and credible IMO. In which case, MAGA and Trump are indeed precise threats to world stability and peace, despite paper centrists' claims otherwise. Europe's current existential crisis is at the feet of American political Republicans, who have aligned themselves with TRump and a clear preference for Russia's strongman and illiberal politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Shades of the Iran hostage crisis. Carter got the blame because there was no progress but as soon as Reagan was sworn in a solution was suddenly found.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Indeed, although like everything else MAGA it's a grotesque mutation of previous GOP behaviour: this time a whole country's autonomy is on the line, its population dying, the rest of the continent having to turn itself into a partial war footing - all while Trump fiddles and the likes of MLG shriek. Just so Trump can proclaim faux-peace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,911 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And probably also not unlike back then, lots of illegal treasonous back channel deals being made to try to make Trump look good.

    Details of his "great plan to end the war in 24hrs" have emerged and to absolutely no ones surprise , the "plan" is to give Russia everything it wants by allowing them to retain Crimea , Donbas and other areas where according to Trump , the locals would be perfectly happy to be Russians.



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