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2023-24 UEFA Champions League

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,006 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Pretty much as tough a draw as the English clubs could have got. Including potentially playing each other in the semis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,841 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    an open draw, with no seeding it seams , very lopsided draw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Just thinking about next years competition. Would I be correct in saying that there will no longer be any advantage to being a seeded team? Basically since everyone has to play against the same numbers of teams from the different seeding groups then your own high or low seeding is actually irrelevant, in terms of an advantage/disadvantage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,601 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    That's a very nice draw alright.


    Apparently no Bayern fans are allowed in the game at the Emirates Stadium and Arsenal can fill those away fan seats with their own fans if they want to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭randd1


    It's so convoluted it doesn't seem like it will work at all. I'm not sure does anyone really know who it's going to work. I can see them chucking it out in a few years time due to fans not tuning in not knowing what's going on.

    Personally, I'd have gone with a much different approach.

    • Four groups of 14 (52 teams). Each team gets 13 games. No drop down to Europa League.
    • Add in the 10 Domestic Cup winners of the top 10 league into the first round of the qualifiers (it is meant to be a champions league after all).
    • All qualifier rounds and knockout rounds to be one match knockout games.
    • Groups seeded with a top 7 and a bottom 7. Seeded sides have 3 home/3 away games against each other, and then for competition purposes each when the top 7 play the bottom 7, it's split on a 3 home/4 away basis. Minimum of 6 home games regardless.
    • Top 6 sides of each group (24 teams) qualify for round of 32. Teams ranked 7-10 (16 teams) will play each other in a one match qualifier for the final 8 spots, home team determined by position in league phase (eg Team 7 in Group A would have home advantage against Team 10 from Group B).
    • Round of 32 would see the four top ranked sides in the four groups get home advantage against the remaining teams, with winners moving to round of 16.
    • Round of 16 onwards is played as an end of season knockout tournament that takes place in neighbouring countries over two weeks (for example Spain/Portugal nominate 8 stadiums to host 15 knockout games).
    • Same format for Europa League and Conference League.

    Straight forward, more games which is what the clubs wanted, more direct knockout football, less groups so more likely a few of the bigger leagues will face each other, home advantage to be gained by performance, and a knockout festival of straight knockout tournament football at the end. Simple.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,382 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,862 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Seeding doesn't come into it for the league stage as you have to play the same number of teams as you say but also there will be no draws after the league stage as the final league position determines who you play in the knock out rounds

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    "The new system is too convoluted!"

    [proposes an even more convoluted system]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    It does come into it though...In that teams will be split into 4 groupings for the group draw based on their ranking


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    Now in the old system there was an advantage to being the top seed because that meant that you wouldn't have to play another top seed in your group. Similarly if you were bottom seed you couldn't draw another bottom seed. That will no longer be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,487 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The winner of the Real Madrid v Manchester City tie wins the Champions league.

    People are seriously overestimating Atletico. Dortmund could beat them.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Their fans threw fireworks onto the pitch at the Lazio game so got a one game ban for away fans being in attendance is what I've read.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Anyone can beat anyone in that draw. Winner of City/Madrid definitely the fave but it's not as completely clearcut as you say tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,862 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    What I mean is you are just seeded now basically into pots but it really does not matter as you are going to play 2 teams from each pot, it only really matters now is after the group stage on where you finish on the big table, finish top 8 and you avoid having to play 2 extra games

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Right, which goes back to my original suspicion - that there is no longer an advantage to being a top seeded team for the group stage draw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,487 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It looks like Madrid will have almost everybody back shortly.

    So you've got

    Courtois

    Carvajal Militao Rudiger Camavinga

    Valverde Kroos Modric

    Rodrygo Bellingham Vinicious jr

    Subs from: Lunin, Nacho, Mendy, Vazquez, Ceballos, Tchouameni, Diaz, Paz, Joselu

    Who can beat that? Only one squad in my opinion and that's City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭randd1


    It's not really, it's very straightforward. Four groups, then one-game knockout rounds, with home advantage based on how well you do in the league phase. Granted I may have worded it very poorly, and apologies for that.

    But it's essentially the same format as we have at the minute but with more teams in less groups and knockout rounds with one leg instead of two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭jacool


    Quarter-Final Draw

    Arsenal FC (ENG) V FC Bayern München (GER)

    Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) V Borussia Dortmund (GER)

    Real Madrid CF (ESP) V Manchester City FC (ENG)

    Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) V FC Barcelona (ESP)

    Semi-Final Draw

    Club Atlético de Madrid (12/1)/Borussia Dortmund (22/1) V Paris Saint-Germain (8/1)/FC Barcelona (9/1)

    Arsenal FC (7/2)/FC Bayern München (13/2) V Real Madrid CF (6/1)/Manchester City FC (7/4)

    The top four favourites are all in the same half of the draw meaning a nice price if you can pick the one from the other 4 that makes the final.

    I cannot believe that Arsenal are second favourites. I couldn't see them getting past the winners of the other QF, IF, they beat Bayern. You know Harry Kane is licking his lips for this tie, even if he is going to end up this season, as all the rest, trophy-less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,365 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    They're third favourites based on those odds you've given there.

    Actually didn't even look at Real's odds, just assumed they'd be lower. Yeah that makes no sense. I think the semis will be as far as they get, whether it's Real or Madrid they face. It would be a good outing for their first time back in the competition in so long but I look forward to all the bottler comments regardless. The squad isn't that big, two Champions League semis in between a reasonably tough run in could derail the season fairly easily. An injury at centre back like at the tail end of last season could be fairly catastrophic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭ronjo


    7/2 is very short price for Arsenal....... if they were evens in each tie it would be 7/1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,609 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    If Madrid put Kroos and Modric on the pitch against City, like they did last season, then they have no chance. Their midfield was overrun last year when they were on. Only got a foothold in the match when subbed.

    Yes madrid might have full strength team v City, but Militao will be very rusty for a while. Out for so long. Camavinga would be wasted at left back too in a City game.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    That's a mad price for Arsenal alright and I say that as a fan🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,862 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    TNT and RTE/Virgin Media will not be happy as both Arsenal and Man City play their Quarter-Finals at the same time

    1st Legs on the Tuesday night and 2nd Legs on the Wednesday night

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,576 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Bit annoying for neutrals too, those are the best two games of the round, so it's annoying to have to pick between them. It is nice to have just a week between the ties though, keeps the jeopardy firmly in the air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Sickened I didn't take them at 19/1 last night, down to 12/1 after the draw. Huge difference now unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,487 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    As I was saying, people are overestimating Atletico. They just lost 3-0 at home to Barcelona.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,176 ✭✭✭✭klose


    They certainly aren’t as good as in years gone, probably on course for their worse league finish in over a decade and may miss out on champions league. Still a bastard of a team to play that I wouldn’t fancy playing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,862 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Quarter-Final 1st Legs
    Tuesday 9th April
    Arsenal FC (ENG) V FC Bayern München (GER) - Live on TNT Sport 1
    Real Madrid CF (ESP) V Manchester City FC (ENG) - Live on TNT Sport 2 / RTE News

    Wednesday 10th April
    Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) V Borussia Dortmund (GER) - Live on TNT Sport 2
    Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) V FC Barcelona (ESP) - Live on TNT Sport 1

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,487 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I hope Barca make the final, they won't win it but I'd be happy for Xavi to finish his time there with a Champions league final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Are they early /late kick offs, or at the same time?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭kksaints




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