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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    I’ve been on this site with two different accounts (and about 5 different names) since about 2003, when Dangerhere.com was blown away.

    In that time I’ve had 1 temp forum ban for being naughty, and it was deserved and was delivered by a mod who I have a huge amount of respect for. I had one thread ban where I pm’d the mod immediately after and when he explained why I was thread banned, I saw it from his point of view. However in the same pm sequence he said “look, you’ve engaged with me reasonably, you’ve accepted where you were our opinions differ but have been fair and engaging so threadban lifted”

    In old vbulletin I had one red flag rescinded, again where I engaged with the mod.

    I probably had one or two yellows over the years too


    I was recently warned for a comment. I didn’t bother engaging with that mod. Not because the warning was fair but because that mod in particular is one of the worst I’ve seen here over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    But, in that case, it’s not the opinions, as such, it’s the baiting/flaming/trolling that will get you in “trouble”.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,640 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Speaking of Vanilla, what's the recent upgrade that changed sharing or editing of links all about?

    And quoting of posts seems to not work about half the time.

    What a crappy interface. Any chance we can revert to the previous version?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    You don't come across as the ideal person to be modding a place you are so unhappy with.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    It's amazing how someone cannot understand that, clearly explained but still cannot get their head around it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,163 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Exactly, and this is were people then go to Dispute Resolution with their "I was banned for no reason" stick.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Gunnar Bewildered Top


    Beasty gets an awful grueling on here but in my experience, by far the best person in authority to deal with.

    Always straight forward and doesn't make it up as he goes along like others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    totally agree. The only ones who seem to have an issue with him would be the same types who would have had an issue with Dav of the old days.



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    tell big bag of chips then, or one of the other admins here, I’m sure theyll more than happy to help with your complaint.



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    I honestly don’t know what goes on in the background there Andrew it’s above my pay grade I guess you’d say 🤣

    Site development is not within the mods remit that’s for odharan and Mike I would guess? Maybe admins but I don’t think even they have any input there themselves



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,415 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    When there is a mod vacancy for a forum, the Cmods assigned to the category where the forum is located conduct a search.

    This mod search is to be conducted confidentially per policy. Cmods cannot advertise vacancies to members for mods in the forum. Hurt feelings can result.

    Typically Cmods will look at the most frequent posters of the forum for possible candidates. Before Vanilla a simple request to Admin was made for the top 10 or 20 most prolific posters. Admin was quite quick to respond historically. Now with Vanilla the Admin dashboard lacks the quick push button most prolific posters function. A cumbersome Cmod search remains.

    Cmods with few forums in their categories may already have some knowledge of possible candidates, as well as those with a history of trouble making that may affect their ability to mod fairly.

    If the forum already has an existing co-mod or more, they can be asked to recommend mod candidates from the forum members. Once again, these co-mods must insure that this search is confidential per policy, and cannot contact members to see if they may be interested in modding. Although a forum mod with “boots on the ground” recommendations are taken seriously, there are no guarantees that their candidates will be ultimately selected for proposed mod to Admin.

    Then again, it is wise for Cmods to consult with the existing forum co-mods about a candidate before proposing to Admin. Cmods can also consult with their fellow category Cmod, as well as chatting about a potential candidate in the private and confidential Cmods forum where all categories Cmods can contribute. Furthermore, it’s common for Administrators to view and participate in the private Cmods forum.

    If no qualified candidates emerge from this process, Cmods are allowed to post the vacancy in the private and confidential moderators forum to see if existing mods may be interested. To increase confidentiality, interested mods generally PM the Cmod rather than reply by posting in the mod forum. Obviously it’s easy for Cmods to evaluate existing mods.

    Once one or more possible candidates have been discovered, a close examination of their records are conducted, including the reading of several of their posts in both the forum with the vacancy and in other forums on the site. Members who exhibit forum topics knowledge, and grand thread contributions, while not violating the forum or site charters and guidelines bubble to the top. Occasionally members with problems exhibited early after joining, but later clean up their act are also considered as candidates.

    When a Cmod feels confident that their candidate may be an excellent choice, they then propose them to Admin. In a few days Admin decides. If no, the Cmod may look at other candidates that emerged from the above process and propose them.

    If Admin approves, only then may the Cmod contact the candidate to see if they may be interested. If yes, Admin is contacted by Cmod and asked to push the magic buttons.

    Apologies if I missed something. It’s Easter and my turn to cook.

    Sorry for making your eyes bleed with this long post, but Cmods typically take this mod search very seriously, because if the mod fails, they can hurt the forum and site, while giving the Cmod a colossal headache, as well as raise questions as to their competency.

    Cmods are selected by Admin, so best to have one of them address that part of your question.

    Cheers and happy Easter!

    Fathom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    At the end of the day, it's a free site with one employee and a bunch of people who give up their free time to keep the site going. Like it or lump it. Happy Easter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,984 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    What do anecdotes add to discussion in these type of threads?

    An example Newposter123 joins and their first post is about how they saw people from country xyz dump their pushchair at the bus stop but they have also know a friend or family member working in social protection and they have been told they have a warehouse of them so the person from country xyz can collect a new one later that afternoon.

    There is nothing factual or verified and it's an extreme example but it's clearly posted to stir up hate against people from country xyz.

    I think what threads like CA need is more fact checking. The amount of link dumps posted from random Twitter\X users and dubious sites is a plague on the site.

    Also I understand this is not practical from a moderation point of view to fact check what is posted so I do not really have a solution but I think it's one reason why some posters avoid posting in threads like CA now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,002 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Is having to cook for someone part of the process?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,415 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Only if they are the winner of Hell’s Kitchen for a cooking forum! Thanks for your craic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Ok, so what's the difference between the example you gave and another poster saying that they live close to an accommodation centre for people from country xyz and that they are all very friendly lovely individuals?? That's anecdotal too.

    In practice both are equally likely to be true or untrue, but whilst the latter will be passed over without a glance, your example may well draw a warning or threadban.

    You might as well shut down these threads as have this sort of censorship threat hanging the Sword of Damocles over posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    My limited experience of threadbans is that it's like or lump it - take it or leave. So I guess that's what users do after a while - they just re-reg a new account as it's the only way around what are effectively permanent threadbans. So make them a month and then expire them. Better system as long as not abused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "A mod cannot act on any post that doesn’t break the rules."

    LOL, that gave me a good laugh!! That is exactly the complaint of many here - moderator actions for posts that don't break site rules, charters or specific thread advice. That are done on a whim, that are very subjective. Surely you've seen this in your time here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,984 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I do not see where in the mod warnings you re-posted where it's called out as to what the subject of the anecdote is?

    Did you report an anecdotal post on one of them threads like you described and it was not actioned?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    feic - look at all the letters after your name - can you name them all? 😀



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    That's never the case at all. The thing about thread bans is that they can't be enforced from a system point of view so require the posters restraint from engagement in that particular thread.

    So by showing said restraint for a period of time (and assuming the poster hasn't picked up any other warnings for similar behaviour elsewhere on the site) if they then contact the mod and request the thread ban be lifted then I'd absolutely consider lifting said ban. Indeed I have done on many occasions in the past. Don't use thread bans as much nowadays granted in the forums I currently mod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    what the hell…..


    that Long John Silver post. Wow. Just wow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    No - the moderator in question tends to disallow some posts and issue warning on the basis that they are 'anecdotal'. But the judgement of what is or isn't 'anecdotal' seems to be purely up to them. It's a ridiculous thing to try and define but there you go?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 81,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    This is the kind of CT nonsense we have to put up with in current affairs as mods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,984 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Do you think my previous example of anecdotal should be allowed and does it add anything to a discussion thread?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    In a topics which can be highly emotive it's much better to focus on facts that can be proven though rather than what Billy Bob's sister in law's experience was.

    Anecdotes from either side don't really add anything to a discussion imo, you just get a bunch of posts arguing that X or Y is talking nonsense with no real way of either proving what they have said is the truth.

    So the whole thread ends up being derailed by "he said, she said" stuff rather than a discussion on the actual topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,657 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    It must be an Easter miracle.

    I actually heartily agree with Furze99 here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    LOL indeed. The complaint of “many” here, and in the “Dispute Resolution” forum, is that they’ve been unfairly targeted, and totally innocent, when they’ve clearly broken site rules.

    You’d swear butter wouldn’t melt in the mouths of the lads in that forum, always blaming the mods for their inability to not be a dick. Claiming they just have the “wrong” opinions and the mods don’t like it. Really low quality users, who’s dreadful record on the site usually comes up in the conversation.

    Now, it should be pointed out, that there is nothing in the rules against having these “wrong” opinions. In fact, many users share them but, unlike the whiney lads in the DP forum, they can express them without breaking any of the, actual, site rules.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Why are you reluctant to speak for yourself?

    You're clearly not happy doing a voluntary job, why continue?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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