Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Even from a selfish perspective the best way to "protect gains" would be to help others and do some positive activism that ultimately aims to have a positive effect to the point where people in those countries wouldn't feel like they have no option but to uproot and leave their homelands. Most of the country lived in abject poverty for hundred and hundreds of years. Getting hand outs from the EU (which we still owe 40 billion plus to) did a lot to help the country develop and improve the standard of living for all of us. A lot of EU/Western countries attained some of that wealth with the help of exploitation. I'm not here to get into the history with some far right loons for anyone who thinks they are entitled to a debate on it.

I don't know if many of the people out working all the hours to save up deposits for homes have the time to be out protesting as well .

Might be the odd one doing a night shift tho ;)

Certainly the citizen journalists and activists at every protest around the country don't seem to be working at anything else .

Everybody is pvssed off with the housing crisis as long as I can remember and its worse than it was .

But I don't know how many people other than activists who would be out protesting against immigrants unless they really thought they were taking something from them , social housing and benefits wise .

Absolutely.

No problem all our immigrant neighbours renting and buying houses here with money they have saved and worked hard for , paying taxes here.

They are better neighbours than some others who are Irish born and, I won't say bred , dragged up, more like .

However I don't think all who are on benefits are undeserving or feckless , like asylum seekers some deserve the benefit of the doubt( ! ) and more are on hap and other help because of the higher cost of living , high rents , ill health and genuine disability.

Once they state they are claiming asylum at all its hands off because the gardaí know it's a waste of their time going further .

Unless they can prove that somebody was resident elsewhere directly they arrive , .and thatusually takes some processing to get to that .

I hear what you are saying though .

Nobody wants loads of people who are only interested in benefit scrounging here and those telling lies about where they came from , not saying they all are but a good percentage are looking for a better place for themselves and their families but not real refugees . This we can agree on .

But the best way to deter those that are, is a more efficient process which finds out who's who quickly , who is genuine , and then where the others are coming from and send them back .

I haven't heard about building houses for anyone except modular homes for Ukrainian refugees .

Only accomodation centres to house those being processed.

This should have been done straight away when they ditched direct provision centres but the present government fvcked up .

They obviously had to have a passport either real or fake when they got on the plane that brought them here.

Nobody seems to be able to answer why that passport would have been destroyed on the plane or at the airport terminal before meeting immigration officals.

It certainly has been explained:

"An RTE report earlier this year highlighted that while it should be impossible to board an international flight without a valid identity document, prospective asylum applicants may board a plane using a "borrowed" or forged passport, which they may dispose of or return to their agent or trafficker during the journey.

The Irish Refugee Council also notes on its website that "some people may fear if they produce" a passport upon arrival that "they will be immediately removed back to the country of origin or the country from which they have travelled."

While travelling with a false passport or destroying it are offences under the Passport Act, doing so does not necessarily invalidate any subsequent application for international protection. For instance, a person fleeing political persecution or a conflict-ridden nation may be unable to obtain a passport from state authorities, or the state may be dysfunctional."

But the article makes perfectly clear that many of those travelling on fake passports may well be genuine refugees seeking asylum and gives the reasons why this may be the case (e.g. it may have been either dangerous or physically impossible for them to apply for a passport from the country they are fleeing).

Can you link to this past post please?

Or.. What date did you post it and where?

Ivana Bacik doesn't seem to have any interest in winning people over with argument. She just keeps smearing ordinary people who have concerns about immigration as being far right.

What we're not hearing is that the vast majority of people in these working class areas would not be on board with this nonsense. The wasters of the far right will always try and spin it as an entire community speaking as one, when it's nothing of the sort. The Sunday World had an article yesterday about how known local convicted criminals were planning on attending this 'protest'.

Bacik is so far out of touch with the general public that she makes Leo Varadkar look like a "man of the people!!"

I remember when Labour was the party who represented the ordinary hard working individual, now they're a bunch of D4 liberal champagne socialists..

As you've so subtly pointed out the social issues on display here, maybe you can also tell me if it's a good idea to place hundreds of undocumented males from the middle-east and africa into this community?