Breaking - Shooting and Explosion at Concert Hall in Moscow

Again avoiding points like the plague. Again; did ISIS release photos of its operatives the day of the Las Vegas shootings? No. Did ISIS release video of its operatives murdering people in cold blood the day after the Las Vegas shootings? No. Put it another way; if this had been an attack on say Paris, we wouldn't be having this conversation and any suggestion of other actors in the loop would be seen as the conspiracy theory BS it would be.

ISIS have their own perverted reasons to carry out such an atrocity. They see Russia just as "Western and Christian" as the rest of Europe, even if Russia claims it isn't. Among other things they see Russia as being for Assad, as being against their form of political Islam and generally interfering in the Islamic world as much as somewhere like France, if not moreso. The latter didn't bomb Chechnya into the stone age. Twice. Islamist terrorists have run a few atrocities in Russia already.

Ukraine have far fewer reasons for such an attack. It would be horrifically bad geopolitical PR for a start if a bunch of their guys did it and would almost certainly kill any US aid dead. Using ISIS to do it would make it even worse. Sure, Ukraine will fire missiles and operate militarily in ways that kill civilians as does Russia, but neither have sent their goons dressed up in civvies deep behind the lines shooting up civilian crowds. That's the actions of terrorists without actual armies. IE ISIS.

I don't buy it as a Russian "false flag" either. That's just as unlikely. If it were ISIS wouldn't even be in the mix, the terrorists they picked up would have been "Ukrainian", or more likely the "attack" would be foiled and a bunch of "Ukrainian terrorist's" bodies would be lined up. One guy being interviewed and shared on the socials after his Van Gogh treatment could barely understand Russian. Their van would have clumsily applied Ukrainian plates, not Belarusian. It also exposed Putin's security holes in a big way. Never mind the warnings, it took over an hour for armed response units and authorities to show up, yet one of the buildings walking distance away is home to security forces. Ambulances took their time too.

Oh and the various investigations(other than Russia's) did not rule them out of involvement in Nordstream. They were all inconclusive with fingers pointing all over the place so that's BS too.

Yep I was wrong about that. Happy now? But again it was very easily dismissed and they didn't follow it up with pics of the muppet who did it and video of muppet doing it within 24 hours, did they?

Russia has very much distanced itself from the "West" in its rhetoric over the last few years and paints the same "West" as immoral and decaying, trying to get developing nations on their side.

Of course states use terrorists. The US has done, the Soviets and Russians do. The list is long. Nobody said otherwise.

Why would it kill US aid? Are you actually serious here? Funding one's own terrorists is one thing, an ally you're supporting and funding, support and funding that's currently on hold, finding out they're going on to support and fund terrorists who are avowed anti America and whose acolytes have killed and injured Americans on American soil is quite another thing entirely. If you can't see how that might have a negative effect, or be a rallying cry for MAGA Republicans trying to block further aid I'll have whatever you're smoking. Or maybe not.

The Nordstream trail went very cold very quickly. Whoever did it covered their tracks extremely well. Put it another way do you think if there were any evidence the US/Ukraine were involved Russia's investigation wouldn't be screaming from the rooftops, yet their investigations are shelved too.