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Kyle Hayes Suspended Sentence

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭munsterdevil


    What questions? None were put to me.

    Anyway:

    1. Both managers still played both players, regardless of whether they went to court or not. Weak point
    2. Couldn’t Kyle Hayes turn into a ‘wonderful man’? Strange point about Leahy.
    3. Eddie Brennan was on the panel from 2000 to 2011, being a regular or not is irrelevant as is the documentary reference. Both a weak and strange point.
    4. Do you condone repeatedly kicking a man in the head on the ground? Obviously not; another strange question.
    5. Using emoticons? Try to be a bit more mature.
    6. I really don’t think you’re concerned about the Kyle Hayes case or defendant; it’s all just a sanctimonious rant you’re on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Eddie Brennan's garda interrogation a quarter of a century ago was standard at the time and Prime Time was highlighting it and advicating change. Gardai today are sure to push buttons too. Do you think it's all a nice chat?

    Bringing up that point of garda interrogation in 2000 and equating it with the Kylie/Hayes events really shows how desperate you are. Seriously trying to compare what Brennan said interrogating a serial offender with Hayes kicking someone continuously on the ground, and showing no remorse. That's no argument just making up BS to deflect. NO GAA MANAGER DEFENDED SERIOUS ASSAULT IN COURT LIKE KIELY DID.

    Kyle Hayes is a callous cold devious individual. His brothers beat people with hurls and wrenches. They are no John Leahys. He'll amount to nothing as he has no remorse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭munsterdevil


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Emoticons 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Try and post content that has some sort of logic with a 'mature' argument. No one bar yourself, and the Limerick poster who posted the Eddie Brennan link, think the 2000 Garda story has any relation to how Kiely and Hayes acted this year.

    You haven't one neutral poster who agreed with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭munsterdevil


    Why did you bring Kyle Hayes family into it?

    That’s hardly rational …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Do you condone repeatedly kicking a man on the ground is a really weird question. All that's going on here is that some people have accepted that the verdict in court was by all accounts consistent with similar and far worse, even fatal, incidents. That's a long way from thinking it was great that it happened. You are trying too hard in attempting to argue every syllable. When you get to the point of having to ask someone if they condone someone getting a beating things are getting a little strange.

    And this "his brothers aren't very nice either" wouldn't exactly cut the mustard in court. You're more a pub bore than legal expert I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Cody never had any issue with Brennan's "rice man" comments either. What people don't acknowledge is that Cody is an old man of another era. He is most unlikely to have been influenced by the frenzied media morals of today where everything is binary - you're either a wonderful paragon or an absolute scumbag, and that exposition of your moral framework publicly is the only proof of the man you are. Cody would be a pragmatist in relation to any such cases. The idea that he sat down to pick a team based on anything other than utility to the team (notwithstanding claims of bias locally towards certain clubs) is laughable. Only utterly dishonest or delusional people would think otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Did Hayes go to the same school where Kiely is principal? That might have pushed him closer towards his awful decision to defend him in court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    No surprise that a poster that got themselves permanently banned off the Kilkenny thread for pure bitterness and hatred of all things Kilkenny finds a way to display more bitterness and hatred of Kilkenny on a thread about Kyle Hayes, I said it before KK living rent free in this persons head. It’s actually quite sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Find it more surprising the poster could tell us Brian Cody's thought process in picking his teams. I'm training U6s and would love to tap into such knowledge!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Post edited by Eibhir on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Edit. Wrong thread.

    Post edited by Eibhir on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,832 ✭✭✭threeball


    Maybe it wouldn't happen so often if sentencing were taken seriously. Hayes is now the poster boy for why its ok to plough and and kick people in the head if you feeled aggrieved. No consequences whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    What da eff…..?

    1984…..John Tracey got an unexpected silver…….a 36/37 year old from Portugal got the gold. Scottish guy came in third. Was Tracey’s first competitive marathon….!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    This is his first offence, what kind of sentence do you think they were going to give?


    Reality check needed here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,832 ✭✭✭threeball


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Hayes is in for a long summer and rightly so. The fans and even the players will be looking for opportunities to get one over him. He might not make it to the end of championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,548 ✭✭✭✭cson


    This sounds like you're condoning the actions of Hayes by attempting whataboutery comparisons to other cases.

    You're aware your team is starting a convicted criminal, yeah?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Right - but this Halvey incident was a far more serious offence. Drunken, careless driving leading to a fatal accident. I recall some of the leading rugby figures of the time lining up in the court to offer glowing testimonies on his behalf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Wrong case there. Shane Horgan hitting a bouncer in 2000 in Galway. He's the present day presenter being discussed.

    Edit: Agree totally with you on Halvey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Who. Come on with facts because I will tell you now that you are talking BS. Not one player colleague or former manager went to court and lied on Eddie Halveys behalf.

    Eddie Halvey was in an accident involving a fatality and I can tell you for a fact that the events of that morning have stayed with him to this day. He removed himself voluntarily from rugby completely.

    Are you suggesting that Kyle Hayes kicked Cillian Mc Carthy by accident in the head.

    Fuming. If majority of Limerick fans and team and sponsors think Hayes should walk away from this incident with his head held high. Shame on each and every one , I hope every game played is a disaster for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭munsterdevil


    Where does that stop? Should all convicted criminals not be allowed compete in anything? Should they not be offered employment?



  • Posts: 258 Selene Spoiled Beach


    You're probably better off not responding to these clowns. Half of them probably have Burke as their surname 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    "Fuming"??!! That's an awful lot of energy to waste on something that doesn't directly concern you. You would wonder how much skin in the game some people here have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    No, of course they didn't tell lies. Did John Kiely tell lies ? They were giving testimony in regard to what they considered the good character traits of the accused in both instances. Look, I'm sure Eddie Halvey is hugely remorseful and is a good human being but that does not diminish the egregious nature of the offence he committed for which he received a quite lenient punishment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    This is the kind of stuff that brings people into disrepute. On the one hand some people are beside themselves with rage over the incident because they are such good upstanding people but on the other hand are wishing people to abuse the guy so much that he doesn't last the year. It's a strange kind of morality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    My point is. Halvey pleaded guilty to a charge of drunk and careless driving. Judge charged him on that. I believe that Mick Galwey spoke as a witness re the effect this has had on Halvey.

    Kyle Hayes never once expressed remorse , he has denied everything to this day despite every shred of evidence against him. John Kiely had to be contradicted in court when he was trying to say Kyle Hayes expressed deep remorse to him 24 hours after the incident.

    I think Hayes shouldn't have got a jail sentence but the adoration that Limerick hurling fans are poring over Hayes and Kiely re this incident is sickening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Funny how this has not been addressed directly. I'd imagine screaming righteousness is easier than actually lying down a set of legally water-tight things a convicted criminal can and cannot do.



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