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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭The Student


    I think the tide might be changing and people don't see it. All the new tenancies through the approved housing bodies are for 25yrs (rather than the old council house for life scenairo).

    I did hear that there are eviction proceedings against a small number of tenants in arrears in SDCC but it needs to go through a cumbersome legal process.

    Was talking to my Dad who is 85 yrs old and remembers living in council property growing up and if you did not pay your rent you were evicted to an army barracks.

    The ironic part of it is that council tenants can rent a room in their property not need to pay tax on it, not affect their welfare benefits and then don't pay their rent. Seriously you could not make this stuff up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭combat14


    we will have to see, today's announcement by Leo Varadkar has all the hallmarks of bertie jumping ship before the sh1t3 hit the fan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The thing is too rent on social housing is a fixed (quite low) percentage of your income. So no matter how small your income is, your rent will never be unaffordable. Its an extremely fair system.

    Anyone not paying it is absolutely taking the piss given that. They should be turfed out in favour of someone who'll at least appreciate what they've been given and follow the terms of the contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Choking the economy. How can the vested interests be so stupid? Killing the golden goose that's feeding them

    Reverse evolution experiment continues.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    have the people who thought interest rates could defeat supply figured it out yet?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    It's probably time to forget about investment in our current cities and create a brand new one, somewhere in the south east. Buy up all the required land at agri cost + 20%

    The current nimbys will be happy and the new city area will be delighted with the investment, jobs and wealth creation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    How has this article got anything to do with your post? Have I missed something



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Reason 5678633347 why this thread thinks property prices will drop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    More like jumping ship before the real big news breaks that would see him be given the boot anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭Montys return


    My point was the opposite I think, that the listing price of new apartments in Dublin is generally much higher than 460k for a 2 bed. Were site purchasing costs omitted before that estimate was given in the article?

    If so, it sounds absolutely incredible (as in not credible) give there are new 4 bed homes on sale around the Country for less.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Indeed. Nearly two years now since the protracted discussion on here that a major fall in prices was just around the corner thanks to the war in Ukraine and interest rate hikes. Supply clearly remains as big an issue now as it was then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    There is no way 2 bed apartments are being listed or sold for over 460k.

    Penthouse style apartments in ballsbridge or some other highly desirable areas, maybe, but generally pricing 2 bed apartments at that level just doesn't happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭Montys return


    They're 500k in Shankill & Greystones, they were 475k in Sea Gardens in Bray I recall before it became POA. Stillorgan, Goatstown, Malahide and Ballsbridge all much higher of course.

    Adamstown is 420-450k, I don't think it'll get much cheaper than that for Dublin.

    So my point was this, vast majority of apartment building is in Dublin. The quoted figure for delivery was 460k, but based on what I can see on Daft I'm wondering where is that even being achieved?

    All told, the costs really need to be scrutinised and how they can be brought down. Otherwise it's frightening to think where this ends



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    July or August 2021 was the date we were told it was absolutely, definitely going to crash by PropQueries. Pre Ukraine war.

    There will always be someone insisting its going to pop and eventually one of them will be right - but by luck, nothing else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,854 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    2 bed apartments in south east dublin/DLR can easily sell for 450k - 500k.

    And that isnt in Ballsbridge or Dalkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Something to keep a close eye on

    Short term interest rates fell this evening after the FED meeting, however long term rates remained high. This may be bad news for mortgage interest rates




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    So looks like we are in for a prolonged period of relatively high inflation at 3-5% for the next 10 years. It is the only way the major western central banks can keep the show on the road by inflating the unsustainable debt away through financial repression like the post world war 2 era.

    Buy a house or land if you can at all now, let inflation for the next 10 years sort it out.

    I think we are in a situation similar to the 80s where it seemed disastrous and hard to get an affordable house/ repayments (rates 19% back then) but in years to come it may well have been the perfect time to buy a house land hard assets.

    I cannot see a deflationary crash coming the world central banks will not let that happen.

    #inflatetheshiteoutofit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭JohnnyChimpo


    "high inflation at 3-5% for the next 10 years" doesn't seem to line up with any of the serious predictions out there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    I'd imagine that was also the case in 2019, yet the number of 18 to 34 year olds living at home has jumped from 45 to 68% in 4 years.

    Consider also that far more of that demographic are leaving the country now than in 2019 as the housing and rental markets have significantly deteriorated in that time. Expect it to deteriorate further as housing targets are inadequate and likely to fall short. Lack of action on dereliction and Airbnb s further compounds the issue

    As a nation it's nothing short of shameful.

    Using a Europe wide survey, the EU statistics agency Eurostat estimated that before the pandemic, in 2019, almost 45% of 18-34-year-olds in Ireland lived at home with their parents – ranking Ireland 13th out of 27 EU countries. By 2022, these numbers soared to 68% and Ireland ranked 6th in the EU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    There will always be someone insisting its going to pop and eventually one of them will be right - but by luck, nothing else

    Luck!

    We are at a point where new builds are priced outside the affordability range of most first time buyers. How much longer do you think this situation continues with multiple subsidies available to both buyers and developers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Thats because they cannot or will not believe that the era of world peace and globalism is over. That’s what anchored inflation down, the anchors chain has broke.

    The ‘experts’ cannot say this even though they know it to be the case as it would raise inflation expectations even more so of course they will not state the obvious and instead give predictions of something else other than that to appease the markets and try and control the narrative/expectations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    How rent controls are problematic and how to exit them




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭ingo1984


    The EU are also mandated to keep inflation at 2%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Any date I give you will be a guess and it will only be luck if its right. That's my point.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Presumably as long as there are still first time buyers capable of affording new builds. That is the way markets work. If houses remain unsold, prices drop. Those who are buying are benefitting and properties are selling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I remember i was in college before rent controls got introduced in Ireland. Our lecturer spent a few lectures on whats in that very video you posted and how they were a bad idea. He went through several examples of where rent controls had the opposite of the desired effect in cities before.

    He said "mark my words, Supply will plummet and rents will rocket if this is brought in". Sad to say that not one of the people responsible for this got any advice from any economist at all.

    Now Ireland is the example that will be used in classrooms all over the world to show what happens when you introduce rent controls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Did the people you consider as giving 'serious predictions' predict the inflation that resulted from the monetary policies introduced in response to COVID?



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, they just shouted “the sky is falling”. There are so many moving parts to the price of housing that bar a catastrophic recession or mass emigration on a level not seen since the Famine, prices are not going to fall to the extent where everyone can afford to buy a home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭Zenify


    A good few properties coming on stream the last week. Things were pretty thin the last few months. Even compared to other years with those months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    That's not how the property market works

    Only a very limited number of new builds are making it to first time buyers. There at the back of the queue behind investment funds, the state flush with ftb taxes, employers and even colleges buying up new estates at twice the market rate of similar estates in the area.

    Ftbs are buying properties from exiting landlords and other 2nd hand properties. The pool of rentals is dwindling making the decision of our young educated/qualified kids to leave very easy. We are heading for a brain drain comparable to the 80's if we continue this madness

    Our brightest will be replaced by refugees that will have to be paid for at a much greater housing cost as its done through hotels or other inappropriate housing arrangements with the providers naming the price knowing the government is desperate.

    As this continues owning a home in Ireland will become a liability as the occupants will have to pay more and more tax to cover the madness.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why all these migrants are not assessed and dispersed across the EU based on there skillet and need for such skills in the destinationn country.

    We know they have to have some skillset as the cost of getting out of these countries can be enormous



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