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Kyle Hayes receives 2 year suspended sentence and €10,000 fine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Yes, so it sets a precedent. Are you capable or critical thought at a all? Evidently not.

    Look up the definition of assault. He assaulted someone and got away with it.

    I hope your family don’t have you in their corner if anything was ever to happen to them. Green tinted blinkers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Hurling people would know of a number of incidents involving members of a prominent team over the last number of years. It is to no one's credit that some of them have been kept quiet and did not reach the courts.

    The victim in the Kyle Hayes case deserves enormous credit for his bravery in ensuring justice was done and criminal behaviour was exposed. I hope he is happy enough with the outcome.

    The efforts that have been made to protect county players in one county are very, very unseemly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Limerick hurling fans are the worst. They all jumped on the bandwagon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Unfair to call Galway rough because of the behaviour of a rugby player from Meath.



  • Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    A former Republic of Ireland Under-21 international footballer has avoided jail for breaking an opponent’s jaw during a match.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition




  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Rayna Fancy Frown


    Think I'll rejoin the local GAA club.

    Never know when I might need a good character witness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    2 years suspended and 10K would be in the mid to higher end of sentencing for convictions like this given the circumstances.

    Kyle Hayes shouted at Cillian McCarthy, "do you know who the f… I am"

    I would have gave him 2 years custodial for that alone.

    🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Being part of the gang that beats up a person is not an excuse. Everyone in the gang should get 10 times harsher sentence than if it were a 1:1 fight. Even if all you do is stand around, while your mates are beating up the victim, you are as responsible.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    true but posters wrote that 'scummy' behaviour is never forgotten. Just pointing out how an offender can go from being convicted of a violent assault to becoming a role model tears later as had happened with Shane Horgan.. thankfully



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Yes, indeed, I want to live my miserable life in peace with violent gang thugs locked away, to prevent them from fracturing my eye sockets and other bones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    There's a logic to that I'll agree, for the gang attack anyway, not so sure about being a bystander.

    Might be hard to implement in practice though.

    I'd say what happens in a lot of these drunken situations is that it starts as a 1:1 fight and then people pile in, usually on both sides, or some to try and break up the fight.

    I'm not saying Kyle Hayes wasn't clearly the instigator here, and acted violently and deplorably, but it didn't look like he organized a gang to attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123



    He beat the **** out of a fella outside a nightclub - no judge can change that fact.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Twas ever the way.

    "Just some lads havin a bit of fisty cuffs sure"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    seems a fair enough sentence, not sure what people expected



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  • Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    The extent of the attack is that the injuries could have been far more serious, it should not take a life threatening injury or worse to be given a custodial sentence.

    Victims of assaults like this can have long life issues as a result.

    The culture of lads and drink, well nowadays it is all drugs should not give a pass to assault someone part of which are kicks to the head whilst on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    I think a custodial sentence would have been correct here but failing that 200 plus hours of community service perhaps.

    10K seems like a buy out so he can go back hurling. Doesn't sit right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I agree that it could have been far worse in this case. I've said already it's lucky it wasn't one of those situations where somebody gets killed in street fight.

    But Kyle Hayes wasn't found guilty of kicking him in the head. There was a group involved, one of whom did that.

    He was cleared of that charge and found guilty of violent disorder. I'd guess it's extremely unlikely that anyone would go to jail for a first offence on that charge, especially where they're employed and otherwise seen to be of good character.

    Whether that's right or wrong I don't know, but I don't think he got off light. In fact I'd say he did worse than others in this situation would, given the publicity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    It was a brutal assault and should have yielded more than a slap on the wrist. Community service is hardly a Siberian gulag.

    What happens if your first offence was a murder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Can we blame the idiotic jury for ignoring the evidence of 2 garda eye-witnesses, who seen him kick the victim in the head while on the ground?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Thanks, I'll continue to blame the scumbag in question for what happened. And the scumbags that support him for being the ones responsible for such a travesty of a sentence



  • Registered Users Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Aravo


    This was a criminal case taken by the DPP. What's to say that a civil action personal injury claim could also arise. JP may be needed to assist with financial matters to sort that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭893bet


    If we had enough prison places then he should have gotten a custodial. But we don’t and there are far worse animals on the street anyone annoyed he isn’t locked up has an agenda.


    Roll on the five in a row! Hon Limerick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    Usually it is the unemployed who are painted as the violent ones in society, I have seen it many times on this forum. A story about a crime and people comment things like "they weren't at work anyway". Employed people get arrested week in week out for fighting outside pubs yet it is "dole scroungers" who get the blame.

    Stories like this are quickly brushed under the carpet in our society. There was uproar when a Derry player attacked someone in Boston and now everyone is cheering for him. Also Mickey Harte gave a character reference for a rapist in my local area and it got brushed under the carpet again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,504 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Irish justice system is a joke, needs to be tougher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Yes. He strutted around the nightclub saying dont you know who I am so now the country knows exactly the type of fellow he is. Even walking out of court he pushed the reporter out of his way in an arrogant manner. I hope they scream abuse at him until their throats are raw when he gets back on the pitch. It's the very least he deserves. Mad how some people defend him because he plays hurling. It's a boring amateur UNPAID sport where the only winners are the Grab All who cream millions from the matches. In 10 years time nobody is going to even remember him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    A lot of young men get involved in street fights and act like entitled assholes in Nightclubs.

    I think his behaviour and actions on the night were appalling, and for all I know he is a complete ass the rest of the time too.

    I just don't think he should be treated any worse than somebody else for the same crime.

    And given the publicity I'd say he already has come out of it worse than another would, not to mind then giving him a prison sentence on top that nobody else would get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,626 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    My heart goes out to the victim, he hasn't gotten the justice he deserves.

    This isn't surprising that a Limerick Hurler escapes justice when his trial was in Limerick....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Tell that to the guy with the busted eye socket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I just don't think he should be treated any worse than somebody else for the same crime.


    He isn’t being treated any worse than anyone else for the same crime. That’s kinda the point - he was treated a lot more favourably because of his otherwise good character.

    The facts are that he was the instigator, he did kick and punch the victim, and the victim sustained serious facial injuries. He then tried to do a runner from the scene and there were two Garda witnesses on hand to apprehend him. He has a bizarre notion that he’s something of a local celebrity, but the reason he’s in all the papers is because of the fact that he decided to plead not guilty to the charges, and at trial John Kiely, appearing as a character witness, asked the Judge to give him a second chance, which ticked the Judge off and all.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/11/21/limerick-hurler-kyle-hayes-kicked-and-punched-man-who-spoke-to-two-women-in-nightclub-court-hears/

    https://www.limerickpost.ie/2024/03/20/all-star-limerick-hurler-walks-free-after-violent-disorder-conviction/

    He could’ve avoided all the publicity, he chose not to, neither that night, nor when he was arrested and charged. He’s nobody to blame for the added publicity only himself. He was only lucky the Jury and Judge were extremely lenient in his particular case.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    Relative to most sentences, it's on the harsh side



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    They absolutely would not with a clean record prior and the fine would have been a fraction of 10k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Still he was convicted of violent disorder and not the more serious charge, is employed and has no other convictions.

    I don't think it's unusual to see people convicted of more serious charges who get suspended sentences.

    I would have been quite surprised if he had gotten a custodial sentence tbh.

    Rightly or wrongly judges look very favourably on strong work records, first offences and being deemed at very low risk of reoffending, which I'm assuming was the case here. I don't think in sentencing terms he was treated any differently.

    I'd imagine the judge would also have to respect the jury's finding that he was not guilty of assault. I know there were witnesses but I believe the defence was that his brother was also part of the fracas, that it was a chaotic event, and those witnesses might have been mistaken. I think the judge would have had to respect the jury finding that a reasonable possibility.

    In terms of pleading guilty, it's hard to argue that he should have, given he was found not guilty for the more serious charge. He might even be quite sure he didn't land the blow that caused the harm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    “He might even be quite sure he didn’t land the blow that caused the harm”

    So when he had the lad on the floor and had finished kicking his head, someone else nipped in after and fractured the victims eye socket ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Huge fcuker and serious athlete, imagine having him come at you in a drunken rage.

    I'd say he's up to his neck in women too and this conviction will only enhance his badboy appeal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    You wouldn't be on a Brian Cody team after doing that, that's all I'm saying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭batman75


    Your good name is everything. Hayes has done damage to his. Due to Google it will follow him to the grave. Ideally he shouldn't be picked for Limerick again. The message needs to get out that violent crime will not be tolerated. The judge hasn't sent that out in his sentencing.

    Mitigating circumstances is another load of codswallop. Good character references likewise. Your actions speak louder than words.

    It's not just the physical injuries that trouble a victim of violence. The emotional damage can be life long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,723 ✭✭✭zimmermania


    Just one comment,if he was a member of a local soccer team he would already be in jail.

    PRIVILEGE wins out over justice,there should be a campaign for the state to appeal the leniency of the sentence.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    This is exactly the reason the country is so fucked up sentencing wise - this attitude of "sure its grand" and "its only a first offence" - Ill get a good character witness to get me off - Its bullshit.

    He assaulted someone , broke their eye socket and basically got away with it. This thing of being lenient on someone for a first offence has to be dealt with - fair enough a first offence for a very minor crime but all violent behaviour should be dealt with by way of a custodial sentence - no exceptions - mandatory minimum sentences in the case of any violent behaviour causing harm.

    Maybe then we`ll get a handle on the scumbaggery thats plaguing the country - how many "first offenders" who were let off went on to have multiple convictions??

    If he was in any other country and broke someones eye socket he`d be doing serious time now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭badboyblast


    The drive to 5...is well alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It’s not hard at all to argue he should have plead guilty, could have saved everyone, including himself, the trouble and publicity of a trial, and received a far more lenient sentence. That’s kinda the point of pleading guilty when the prosecution have plenty of evidence to support the charges.

    I wouldn’t have been surprised if he’d received a custodial sentence, but it was only for his otherwise good character (there’s no point in other posters arguing if Joe Soap this, then that, because each case is determined on it’s own merits). He was treated differently both in terms of the verdict, and sentencing, precisely because of the circumstances outlined by the Judge. The idea that he is, in the Judges own words “a successful sportsman” undoubtedly played a part in determining sentencing -

    The judge said he accepted Mr Hayes had no previous convictions, was of good character, a good worker, had raised money for charities, and is a “successful sportsman”.

    However, the judge said he could “not ignore” that Mr Hayes had “significant culpability” in the events on the violent events on the night.

    He added that the violent disorder inside and outside the nightclub were “linked”, and that Kyle Hayes and others acted in a “threatening and menacing” manner when they “followed Cillian McCarthy out of the nightclub”.

    Maximum sentence for violent disorder is the same as that for assault - 10 years. He was let away very lightly with sentencing for both convictions suspended and an order to pay compensation of €10k to the victim, noting that the victim could still pursue a civil case should they wish to do so -

    Judge Sheehan directed Mr Hayes to pay €10,000 in compensation to Cillian McCarthy who Judge Sheehan said was attacked by Mr Hayes and others on the night. The order is without prejudice to any civil proceedings now open to Mr McCarthy, the judge said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,213 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Did the judge not accept that he was not involved in the punching and kicking incident outside the club that caused that fractured eye socket and the jury unanimously found him not guilty of assault ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 44 Acorn 737


    If you play a sport at inter county level you are regarded by many as a role model for good bad or indifferent. Self control is the price you pay for it. Hurlers and footballers are generally looked up to, criticised and slavishly followed by people who have never played the sport and really don’t have a clue about it, for reasons that are inexplicable. I can’t see why a player in an amateur sport shouldn’t be chucked off the team and replaced. Growing up back in the day you could be taken off a team for simply using bad language or any other kind of misbehaviour, regardless of how good you were, in my neck of the woods anyway. Sport is a good thing, there are a majority of great people out there, but the bad apples need to be weeded out and left where they belong. Going around acting the hard man and the Do you know who I am? horseshit shouldn’t really be tolerated. Especially since most people in a niteclub won’t know or give a **** who you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,723 ✭✭✭zimmermania


    It was much more serious than Golfgate when a bunch of tds,senators, solrs,judges etc were aquitted when it was obvious the law was broken but the judges summing up was interesting when she stated

    "the type of people at this event were not the type of people to knowingly break the law" and of course she aquitted them because of course they came from a similar background as herself.

    She practically suggested that if they were from a working class background or an inner city soccer club she may have come to a different conclusion.

    One law for the rich or privileged and one law for...ah you know the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    One law for the rich or privileged and one law for...ah you know the story.


    It’s not one law for the rich or privileged and one law for everyone else at all. It’s the same law applied the same way, for everyone. In sentencing Judges will take aggravating and mitigating circumstances into consideration in sentencing. In the example you used, they were acquitted. If you’ve a few previous convictions for road traffic offences but you love animals? Suspended sentence for being an idiot:

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-who-shared-image-of-boy-a-online-acted-as-judge-jury-and-executioner-court-hears-1604405.html

    In Kyle Hayes case, there were aggravating and mitigating circumstances too, and the Judges sentencing won’t change what I think of Hayes (not much), but he received a fair trial and the Judges sentencing was fair.

    It’d be silly to argue that the law should be applied differently because he’s plays hurling (he should have seen the inside of a jail cel), but then to complain that the law was applied differently because he plays hurling (as though he actually got off scot-free, he did not).



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    A speeding fine would never land you in custody even for non payment.

    While he wasnt convicted of assault - he was convicted of violent disorder. So hes still a scumbag and should have been imprisoned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    He might need to get his brothers on the squad too by the sounds of things



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

    It looks like there was some confusion as to who was actually doing the kicking, and he was found not guilty of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Maximum sentence is 10 years, but who gets anywhere close to maximum sentence for a first offence and when they're employed.

    From what I see judges go to great lengths to avoid jail sentences for people who are working. Whether that's right or wrong it's the same for everybody.

    Again, he was found not-guilty of assault. Why would he plead guilty for that? So there would have been a trial anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Fair enough, but then a good proportion of young lads in the country should be in jail.

    I don't know how much things have changed in the last twenty odd years but in my day (can't believe I just said that) fights like this were fairly common.

    I'd guess the judge see cases like this all the time.



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