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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Then he should bloody well make sure that he makes it clear what he is talking about. He is the GOP candidate for POTUS, the leader of the GOP, and the ex-POTUS. His words carry a lot of weight and he should be careful what he says.

    This wasn't some doorstepping by a journalist, and wasn't some gotcha question during a debate. He was giving a speech and he needs to be more careful. As Jan 6th showed, even if you believe his story that he had nothing to do with it, it is clear that there is a portion of the US that takes his words literally and will follow what he says.

    This constant need to give him the benefit of the doubt, to excuse him, is what has allowed him to become the danger he is. People, all people, need to stop making excuses for him and start calling him out on his lack of care (I am being generous to him that he didn't mean it).

    But if he really cared, he would come out and clarify the remarks himself, rather than send a PR spin person out to muddy the waters. A clear unequivocal denouching of potential violence. but we all know he is not going to do that as he sees this type of language as a call out to his supporters. Knowing that there will be enough people willing to excuse him he avoids any blowback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,854 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It was absolutely a dog whistle.

    And even if you think it wasn't, it is criminally reckless to speak as he did in such language

    a) having fought and encouraged others to fight against the lawful transition of power

    b) literally at the same speech in which he praised those who did create a bloodbath on January 6th

    c) as it escalates the tension approaching the election and

    d) as it attempts to normalise such inflammatory rhetoric


    It absolutely is in order to call him out for this, and every single other outrageous thing he does. It is important not to become numb to all this.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kimmel has fun roasting Trump over being upset Kimmel humiliated him at the Oscars

    Also interviews Trumpers at a rally who can't recognize the role of the constitution, how many amendments it has, or get through singing the national anthem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Beau lays out why Boebert might be in trouble. She's already in Congress so she cannot run for outgoing rep Ken Buck's seat - in the district she's running for in the general, because of the new redistricting. So, someone else new will be the winner of the special election for his seat coming up around the corner, and then she has to try and convince voters to vote for her again instead of the new incumbent, in November.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Mormegil




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,854 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    George Conway's take...


    "The theory of Trump’s complaint here is that, since the jury in Carroll II, the case tried last year, unanimously found that Trump forcibly and without consent penetrated Carroll’s vagina with his fingers and not his penis, and since this constituted sexual assault and not rape as defined by the New York Penal Code, Stephanopoulos libeled him by saying he had been held liable for “rape,” even though the judge in the Carroll case has held multiple times since the verdict that in common parlance (and the law of most other jurisdictions) forcible digital penetration is rape.


    In other words, Trump is suing Stephanopoulos and ABC because Stephanopoulos repeated what a federal district judge has said repeatedly in written opinions.


    By bringing this lawsuit, Trump will only bring more public attention to what he did to Carroll. And he and his lawyers may very well be—in fact, ought to be—sanctioned.


    Another brilliant stable-genius move.


    Trump is not only a rapist, he’s a nut job, and a very, very dumb one at that."

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The attorney who leaked Dominion emails to a MAGA sheriff (who then proceeded to publicize them) thereby trying to spoil the Dominion case has been arrested




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,854 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,607 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    As another incredibly bizarre effort to roadblock the trial, Aileen Cannon requires that the Jury be able to see all the classified, top secret, code word evidence

    In addition to usual voire dire that means a jury will have to pass an exhaustive background check if this even gets that far, a lengthy and painstaking process. In some scenarios it may even upend the rest of Juror's lives, having knowledge of codeword information and needing to secure that knowledge for life.

    Doesn't seem to make any logical sense, the trial need only determine the documents are in fact top secret etc., their actual contents and being privy to them are not determinative of whether the jury would find he is guilty or not of the criminal statute against retaining them. It appears the court agrees already that the documents are in fact classified and top secret and codeword sensitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    I wonder how Chubb feel now putting up the $100m bond in the E Jean Carroll case when they see no other Bond company is prepared to trust Trump in the New York case and they are a pretty much calling him a defaulter whose property isn’t even enough to cover the bond if sold.

    I am also a bit surprised an oil money Country hasn’t found away to loan him the money via property loan or buying one golf courses for a billion for the Liv Golf tour

    Regards,

    P.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's all about the delay.

    Smith could take this to the appeals court (11th circuit?) and they will bounce it immediately as the idea that a jury of regular people should be able to read highly classified documents to "decide for themselves" if they were Trump personal notes or not is utterly ridiculous.

    But - That would cost them a few months by the time they get on that docket and get back to Cannons court room with the victory.

    Or as you said , they could seek full National security clearance for the entire potential jury panel to allow them to view the documents , also taking months to complete.

    All delaying the trial until after November...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Either way DOJ should continue on apolitically without trying to get this done by election - nevermind that Cannon seems dead set on ensuring that it won't happen before then but I think it's reasonable to conclude Biden is re-elected, and the attempts at delay become fairly moot. They could as easily agree to Cannon's ultimatum, or appeal it to 11th circuit and in doing so create a gap in the schedule for one of the state criminal cases to proceed unabated this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    That bond was secured the contents of a bank account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Navarro showed up for prison. Fox News cut away when he tried to say his criminal conviction was merely ‘alleged’

    He also crowed that it was an “assault on the separation of powers” - despite pleading his case all the way up to the Supreme Court - and was prosecuted by the same branch he claimed privilege from - under criminal statues passed by the Congress... 😭



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,626 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/trump-lawyers-us-supreme-court-immunity


    "The filing contended that all of Trump’s attempts to reverse his 2020 election defeat, from pressuring his vice-president, Mike Pence, to stop the 6 January 2021 certification to organizing fake slates of electors, were protected activity".

    Trump needs this immunity or he is going down, helps to keep postponing the case though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,659 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If he postpones the case long enough and wins the election, he's not going down. It is unlikely that Trump's team would get the trial postponed until past the election date even with the current stalling, but if they get to August or September, then they will try to say that the trial cannot be held that close to the election as it would 'unduly' influence it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    A bit like how the "Hillary Emails" thing unduly influenced the 2016 election? I don't see an issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Does anyone know where A Storm Foretold can be watched? The documentary in Rogaer Stone's activities in the lead up to the certification of electors that I believe footage was used in the Jan 6th investigations.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,097 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    My limited knowledge of getting National Security clearances, is that 'months' is optimistic bar some very senior help. @Manic Moran probably has way more insight into this.


    And yeah, it's about the delay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,854 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump's campaign is pushing the following question as a slogan..


    "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"


    Putting aside the fact the fact the US was being ravaged by COVID thanks to Trump's policies, here's a nice rebuttal..


    Screenshot_20240320-092204.png


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,678 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump suing George Stephanopoulos and ABC for defamation over Stephanopoulos saying that Trump was found liable for rape, rather than found liable for sexual assault, during his interview with Nancy Mace.

    Seems most likely that Trump will lose because Trump already tried suing E. Jean Carroll for saying the exact same thing and the judge found (as has been explained here numerous times before) that Trump's actions can be considered rape in accordance with most and modern laws and common usgae of the word and term and therefore saying he was found liable for rape is substantially true and therefore not defamation.

    It's probably never a good sign in court when the opposition can cite a previous case and judgement that has your name on it from the past few years and that you lost that one.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He really is Streisanding the hell out of that.

    Hopefully the case will happen right in the middle of the run in to the Election so that Biden can call him "RAPIST" to his face during the debates (if they happen)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The case isn't about winning or losing, or even going to court. Trump is attempting to bully the press to drop talking about it. The hope is that the media company don't want the fight and will simply ensure that it isn't broadcast again. That would cover the entire station.

    That would then lead to other organisations being reticent to even discuss the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,854 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    That and fundraising too.

    I'd expect a motion to dismiss from the defendant pretty sharpish.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think they will fight though.

    Trump hasn't a leg to stand on here and everybody knows it.

    He has litigated this EXACT issue before and lost and the ruling from the Judge clearly and categorically states that the use of the term "RAPE" is absolutely reasonable given the circumstances.

    They will get a summary motion to dismiss most likely and will continue calling him what he is - A Rapist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,607 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    That reminds me of Blackadder when Baldrick accidentally burns the dictionary.

    Blackadder: I can't give you the dictionary because I want Baldrick to read it first, which requires teaching him to read.

    As you say, all it needs is for the jury to see the header of each document that says "Top Secret". Not the actual secrets.

    Could Biden grant temporary code-word clearance, bypass the usual process which takes months, and just, ta-da! The 12 jurists now have the correct level, off you go? I think I know the answer to this already.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Robert Reich on the 5 steps to a Dictatorship. This is Trump and his enablers’ plan. This is worth 5 minutes of everyone’s time.

    To the supporters of Dictators (and the euphemistic Strong Men Leaders), one day they will go after the thing that you care about and you will be powerless to do anything about it.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



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