Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

I've already said some coming here are likely economic migrants.

I don't doubt that.

But if you take away the asylum process as an option for that group, they'll have the option to either not come here, or to come undocumented.

Based on what's happened in other countries, and how attractive we look as a destination, I believe many of that group will choose to come here undocumented.

That to me is a bigger problem than people coming through the IPA process where most will go on to work, pay taxes, lead normal lives etc.

No they didn't.

They enacted legislation that allows for people to claim asylum and outlines the process those claims go through.

It's not tiresome to take a guess. The rest of us have done so.

Always good for a refresh on some things - Remember Leo's letter to the Sindo? - Newstalk's Barry Whyte handed Leo his arse within a few hours

It included Leo saying:-

The Taoiseach also says “International Protection applicants are photographed and fingerprinted on registration, and we check to see if they have already registered in another country. Checks are carried out against EU databases for certain crimes, watchlists and the European arrest warrant”.

Barry's take on it was:-

This is true; however, this only tells us if a person has a criminal record in another European country or if they have applied for asylum in another European country. But does it tell us if a person has lived or worked in another European country? I don’t think it does.

Several IPAS accommodation centre managers have told me that many of their residents have lived and worked in the UK, Germany, or Sweden before arriving in Ireland. Are these people genuine asylum seekers? Surely, they are taking up beds that could be offered to people who are genuinely fleeing war and persecution?

I'll side with Barry Whyte here and not with Leo the spoofer - Hopefully that will help in stopping the 'They're all fingerprinted and photographed so there...' shyte that gets rolled out every few months religiously, and generally takes up 2-3 pages of head wrecking scutter

Much kudos to Mr Whyte I should add, it's a great article

Re the passport destruction. Hard to believe there is a genuine reason. None of these people are flying directly from the countries they are originally from. So they felt it was safe enough to use their passport all the way to Germany and France and then only decide to destroy their documents on the way to Dublin. Clearly it is known that you’ll have less issues getting into Ireland if you destroy your documents.

I also don’t like that the first interaction with the state is based on deception. Just encourages more messing and deception as they go through the process. If you are a genuine asylum seeker it seems you’d have a very good chance of staying here so why destroy the passport?

So you want to loosen migrant laws on work visas, how do the rest of the anti-immigration brigade feel about that?

Where are all these visa migrants going to live? How's it going to affect working Irish people if they've to compete for jobs with low-cost labor from around the world?

What are you going to do with people who can't find regular jobs and stay anyway, working illegally or involved in crime etc? (I'm already hearing that this is occurring in Ireland) What happens when the next downturn comes, do you think all these people will just up and leave?

As for speeding up deportation, even if you remove delays within Ireland, countries at the other end still won't take people or will delay. Certainly worth looking at, but I wouldn't expect that you'll be able to get large scale deportations going where other countries have failed.

Ultimately this immigration issue isn't going to just 'go away' with an easy fix, despite what some chancer anti-immigration candidates might be promising. Whether we like it or not people are going to keep coming here as long as our economy is looking this strong. We urgently need to start building more houses and improving services and not believing in nonsense rhetoric about 'closing borders' and 'sending people back'.

It's a reference to our being the second wealthiest country in the world by GDP per capita. What are these incentives for migrants, €40 per week, you want people turning to crime, begging and working illegally instead?

Average length is 2 years in direct provision on e40 a week. After that it's full access to welfare, no one claims they come here for e40

10 year ago it was over 4 years wait time n less were willing to wait it out.

Roderick may go back tweeting in a few languages that the keys to their own pad in 4 months is a non runner!

https://www.economicsobservatory.com/asylum-seekers-in-europe-where-do-people-go-and-why

Here's a summary of some research on why asylum seekers chose particular European countries. The findings show factors affecting decisions, outside of following where families and friends have, or have planned to move, are wealth in gdp per capita, low unemployment levels and cultural factors. Some relationship with welfare benefits but not very strong.

I don't know what you mean by 'do I have a limit', I wouldn't be able to apply a limit anyway, no more than these chancer anti-immigration candidates promising to 'close the borders', 'turn people back' etc.

@MegamanBoo from your posts there is a certain air of ah sure no one can do anything about what's happening and it's going to keep happening anyway so no point doing anything about it. I don't agree. I might not have the answers, same as anyone else here on Boards but the people who are being paid lavish salaries to govern should and must come up with solutions. We cannot have situations like what is happening in Dublin city centre become the norm

But even refugee agencies agree on this. They say it is totally inappropriate for the government to be using hotels to accommodate refugees and asylum seekers and that it should not be happening. This is totally on government mismanagement of the state accommodation sector and not the fault of refugees.

Well not everyone that wants a better asylum system is anti immigration. The problem lies with people coming here with no where to live and immediately causing the State problems.

That's the main issue most people have.

Blaming refugees for being refugees seems a bit harsh. The problem is at our end : not having sufficient services and accommodation in place to handle an ever present asylum seeker situation and one that is not going to go away, given what is happening globally.