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Russia - threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    The wests reaction to what Putin has done has been weak as pi ss tbh. Europe in particular efforts are shameful. Drib drab of weapons and promises. Over two years into the war and if anything the urgency is dissipating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,209 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I can absolutely guarantee you, if he wasn't such a coward, Putin would be over in the US stuffing the ballot boxes for Trump himself. The only reason he's saying he prefers Biden is the optics and to divert attention away from the fact that the Kremlin will be doing everything they can to interfere in the US presidential election in November.

    You can be sure Orbans visit being timed with Trumps urgent need for a few hundred million dollars in legal penalties is no accident.

    Putins literal only hope of a favorable outcome in this war is Trump in office. Trump has even said recently he'd not give a penny more to Ukraine. Thinking Putin prefers Biden is pure fantasy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    There is not any mental gymnastics or reality distortion you can perform to believe that Putin genuinely wants a Biden/ democratic administration in the White House in 2025. He said he preferred Biden for the sole purpose of giving his buddy Donald Trump a talking point on the campaign trail. You would need an IQ below about 80 not to see that very obvious move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Correct it was misdirection from the Kremlin designed to embarrass Biden and give the false illusion that Putin doesn't support Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Petr Pavel at it again. Apparently another 700k shells found for purchase.

    It is noted that the Czech Republic has found an additional 700,000 ammunition that can be purchased to meet the needs of the Ukrainian military.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It just shows, there never really was a worldwide shell shortage, it was just the EU refusing to allow EU countries to purchase shells outside the block under the framework.

    The money was there almost a year ago, these shells could have been purchased back then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    You mean you don’t trust those Stalinesque voting numbers?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    It could be that alright.

    Another theory is that the countries that are supplying these shells are either supposedly friendly with Russia but would love the money for unused shells in their warehouses. (Philippines for example). Or are militarily neutral (but support Ukraine in principle) so cannot be seen to be sending shells to the Ukrainian warzone(South Korea). But they can be quietly negotiated with and in turn supply the Czechs. At which point Petr Pavel can do whatever the f*ck he likes with the shells.

    I'd lean towards the latter anyway myself but I guess a pleb like me could never really know. So take all that with a grain of salt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭rogber


    "Give them enough to stop them losing, don't give them enough to enable them to win" does, for whatever reasons, seem to be a very conscious policy for some time now which is why I expect everything will look very similar this time next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    I could be wrong but weren't France dragging their heels on allowing purchases outside the EU to protect it's own defense industry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭rogber


    Event in central Moscow now to mark 10 years of Crimea and the presidential election. It is a pity that Ukraine or these supposed resistance fighters within Russia seem incapable of launching any kind of attack on the capital to force it to be called off, would send a huge signal, but seems the capabilities simply aren't there (the desire surely would be)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The fact the countries in question have not been named kinda works with your assumption. Maybe the fact Ukraine are suffering from lack of shells may have made those countries more open to the idea of supplying their stock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,610 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Is bombing a load of civilians the way for Ukraine to win hearts and minds in Russia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,511 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Get what you mean (in that countries incl. France and Greece opposed a plan where a large EU budget would be spent on getting shells from outside the bloc) but your phrasing is a bit off.

    The EU cannot prevent the member states from purchasing shells for Ukraine from whoever they like, they do have their own money and their own militaries to go out and do it.

    Seems the will/impetus wasn't strong enough for any of the members that wanted to go and arrange this themselves (outside the EU), unless EU contributor states were ponying up a big chunk of the cost.

    I believe the Czech plan to purchase the shells is being part funded by Germany (and others) in any case, to tune of 100s of millions of Eur.

    There are a few reasons why it did not happen earlier I can think of.

    One of these is that it is a massive financial "bung" (money for old shells rotting away in storage) to countries that may not exactly be friends of the EU or member states, or even potential future aggressors with territorial designs (e.g. Turkey, if that is one of the sources).

    Another is situation was not as urgent. There was a Republican/Trump cloud appearing over future USA aid for Ukraine at that point [spring last year if I am remembering?], but Biden admin. (and pro Ukraine people on right in US politics) were still promising it was all minor and would be just fine in the end, and support would not be interrupted. Well that hasn't panned out, as we know now (to Ukraine's cost).

    I also wonder if there were over-optimistic projections given by weapons makers around Europe about manufacturing increases they could achieve if given the funds (and then they failed to deliver these on time)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,628 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Most probably not, but after two years of having Russia indiscriminately slaughter Ukrainian civilians, I can't exactly blame Ukraine if they get a bit of ordinance to Russian population centres. Again, none of this would need to occur if Russia had not made the unnecessary decision to move forces into Ukraine in February 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,907 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Seeing as it has now been shown that about 90% of the voters there support a genocidal murderer with a failing grasp on reality, maybe functioning hearts and/or minds may be difficult to find in russia.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You think that 90% figure is legitimate?

    There is evidence of literal ballot stuffing, the result is clearly false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Any aggressor needs their war brought back to their home, if at all possible. If this is nowadays controversial, That’s really sad but par for the course in our upside down world of today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Russkiy mir ( Russian World ) - Putin uses this alot

    Russian World is understood as referring to territories populated by people who are ethnic Russians, speak Russian, or associate with Russian culture. This includes Russia itself, and extends to places such as northern Kazakhstan, Belarus, the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in Eastern Ukraine, the Transnistria region in Moldova, South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, and also Serbia and Israel. 

    I have also heard it can extend to whereever Russian are regardless of number .. thats part of Russian World

    Explanation from - https://globalvoices.org/2022/02/26/what-does-russian-world-stand-for-in-putins-statements-about-ukraine/




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,907 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Very unlikely to be legitimate in my opinion but the publicity about such support for someone of putin's character does make me question the minds and hearts of those in russia who allow this pantomime of support for his war mongering, mass murder and gencide to continue. I'd hope if such blatant mockery of democracy was to take place here in Ireland that there would be a much stronger response from the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    More hardcore Navalnaya perhaps. Have a listen to the whole video, it is translated to English. She doesnt hold back:

    Forget Navalnaya. Spread the word about Yevgenia Chirikova, who calls on her fellow Russians to join the armed resistance, which is fighting as we speak and includes independence groups. This is the opposition




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    So .. this be interesting. OBAMA dropped into Sunak in No. 10 .. he arrived "unexpected" walking up the street to No. 10.

    SKYs readout on this:

    Our political correspondent Tamara Cohen says the meeting was a "courtesy visit" while Mr Obama is in London for meetings to do with his foundation. 

    Mr Obama and Rishi Sunak have never met before as the former president left office in 2017.

    As it was a private meeting, Tamara says we will not be given a full readout of everything they discussed. 

    Likely topics, however, include the conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East. 

    "Whether it touches on UK or US politics, we may not find out," Tamara says.

    She adds that it "took us all by surprise to see him walking up the street" when Mr Obama arrived this afternoon.

    So whats up here then???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Well she's better looking and looks more earnest than Prigozhin did. For all we know Prigozhin has retired to Brazil and it was a rouse to see who was unloyal to be defenestrated.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    European weapons manufacturers are supplying Ukraine directly to the tune of 350k shells:

    that is separate to the ones procured for Ukraine by the EU



  • Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ Grayson Bewildered Attic


    The thing that bugs me the most with this conflict, is that both Putin and Medvedev know perfectly well what they are saying is lies.

    They know their claim that Ukraine doesn't deserve independence is a lie. They know all of it, yet are willing to kill hundreds of thousands of people in pursuit of a known lie.

    Why would political leaders act in a way they know to be false?

    It's almost as if they want to have a big wider war because they know they aren't going to be around for long, so what's to lose if they take everyone down with them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    It's fairly straightforward. They're sociopathic empathy lacking individuals. Born into a society that values above all , strength. Surrounded on all sides by men that are the same as them. And you don't get to step down from the throne peacefully. If Putin shows weakness he swings from a lamppost. Pretty good incentive.

    Himself and his cronies are also used to being on top and owning half a states worth of wealth in mansions and assets between a few handfuls of people. And it's a cliche but it's true. Power corrupts.

    They live on top of a population that is on the whole completely apathetic to their political status.

    Putin and his cronies saw that Ukraine(an ex soviet country) was moving toward more liberal democracy and away from the mafia state. Towards the EU. And much like the Baltics it would be shown, on Putins own doorstep, that the EU and true democracy works in favor of the regular Joe and crushes the oligarch under the weight of due process and bureaucracy. Even the regular Russian can appreciate when pavement slabs on the other side of the border aren't wonky and the buildings aren't dilapidated.

    It shows his whole way of life is entirely invalid. He couldn't allow that.

    It also didn't help that the West did absolutely nothing the last few times he invaded. if you give a bold child candy when they misbehave don't act surprised when you get more of same.

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