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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The idea is to make DL town itself more attractive to pedestrians/cyclists by diverting the through traffic away from the town centre.

    It will do that and some overspill traffic will get pushed to Glenageary Rd, Sallynoggin etc.

    But if people want to drive between Dalkey and Monkstown, they can still do so. It will just take longer.

    I wonder what the impact to Glasthule will be...will there be more traffic going through there as a result of diverting cars down Glenageary Rd Upper/Lower?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Its a shame they couldnt mordernise the bunker like shopping centre.

    Living Streets will make the town more attractive and should help bring in more independent retailers though.

    Agree on the PT.

    Sooner or later we need to bite the bullet and build an Underground. Metrolink is a step in the right direction, but with Dublin now bearing down on 1.6 million population in the 4 boroughs alone, an Underground is really the only sustainable option into the future.

    Buses share road space with cars and both will ultimatley get choked up as the population continues to increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    How are independent retailers going to survive? The council have raised commercial rates by 30% in the last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    Agree the metro needs to be built not talked about. IMO they should be planning for the whole city. Circle line should be planned and then you can add different lines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭anchor4208


    This statement is just not true, it's not even close to being true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭anchor4208


    Not a big deal in the overall scheme of things but you are wrong. The vote on this item (the removal of the modal filter) is at 6hr 43min of the webcast (https://dlrcoco.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/865484) and Mary Hanafin clearly says 'against'. Cllr O'Leary, who isn't listed in post #4164 clearly says "for".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,298 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Can you recall who explained this in the meeting, and roughly when this discussion was? I don't think I could listen back to seven hours....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭Mav11


    I can't Andrew. I had it on in the background for over 7 hours, but I think it may have been a member of the executive who clarified the incident. It didn't get too much time or oxygen as I recall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,649 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Will they redirect buses away from Monkstown Farm after all this? It's a disaster zone for public transport and a completely pointless detour for the buses that go through it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Consonata


    Kind of wild that relatively speaking this is the most benign traffic management change that could be done by DLR, and yet people are losing their minds over it. Would you be well thinking Blackrock Living Streets rollout was a disaster. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,790 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Blackrock has the dual carriageway running in parallel to it and is a far smaller village, same cannot be said about Dun Laoghaire. More I think about this the more I think its just goes to drive footfall away from the town even further eventually. Time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭anchor4208


    I'm not sure at what point it was raised, but here's a screengrab of the updated correspondence from the HSE

    https://x.com/jasoncullenfilm/status/1767309755716919465?s=20



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Consonata


    Have you any examples of where that has occured? Centralising our planning and traffic policy around folk who want to drive from Monkstown to DL, or worse, through DL, instead of getting a bus or DART is killing communities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,790 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Eh yes I can , Dun Laoghaire. Its being dying a death arguably since all the traffic calming etc was put in. I'm 53 and have lived in the area all my life, don't tell me it wasn't more vibrant in the past, why?

    Why hasn't the same happened to Dalkey or even Shankill if you want to venture further down the road?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Consonata


    Dun Laoghaire has been dying a slow painful death since the crash, traffic calming has little if anything to do with it, it's just made Dun Laoghaire's inherent weaknesses as a community more obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The seafront at DL is mobbed. Especially on a sunday, from the Peoples Park back down to the DART.

    I would imagine outside of the city centre there are few busier spots in the country.

    But...the area around the shopping centre/Georges St is very quiet alright.

    Its like 2 different towns.

    Hopefully living streets helps bring some of the coastal footfall up Marine Road.



  • Posts: 669 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't think so, I remember when the 46a started skipping the farm there was uproar about the elderly being cut off from society. What buses go through it, I can only think of the 63?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    If the BusConnects routes go that way now, I expect they will continue to do so. The idea is to bring people into the town by Public Transport, not stop them coming altogether.

    Bus routes into DL should be scaled up, not back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    Its not true. They have increased them by 20% since 2022. Rate was 0.1732 in 2022 and is now 0.2077. Yes 20% is the correct figure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,298 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    I never thought in my life I would vote for a PBP candidate but Melissa Halpin was very impressive at that meeting, a rock of sense.

    So now we are left with a situation where you cant drive, cycle, scoot, take a bus or taxi to exit the main street out of the town, if trouble kicks off there is no way to get quickly out of the area.

    we have a hospital in the centre of the town and a very busy bus stop will be gone.

    There needs to be highly subsidised parking in DL, that is the only way shops will survive, a friend spent over 11 euros in Tesco parking recently, she wont be returning in a hurry, thats hideously expensive, people hate paying for parking, they will drive miles out of their way to avoid it.

    DL is now going , to be competing with retail offerings in cherrywood as well as Dundrum, Bray will soon be a better retail location too.

    This plan is so short sighted,very sad really, its hard to think what to do but all day parking for two euros would help and counteract the impression that DL is now no go area for drivers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,316 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    If trouble kicks off? What mad situations are you imagining to yourself now Maisie?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Why would people leave the seafront to sit in Georges st, at least three of the shop units are charity shops so not open on sundays, the rest arent exactly enticing, as I said most pedestrian traffic is heading to Tescos.

    If I go to Bray I go to walk the seafront, the vast majority of people on DL seafront on sunday have no i interest in shopping, the cyclists most definitely wont cycle up that hill to the town, turn left and you are on cobblelock road surface, turn right and you have to get off your bike with the multitudes milling around pedestrianised Georges St!!!!!!

    You then have to either walk your bike through the pedestrians or else cycle back down the hill and somehow make your way into a two way cycle lane with traffic jams everywhere.

    If you cycle via Monkstown Road you will need your wits about you as this road is horrendous now, you have a painted line as your space but the space left for cars is so narrow the range rovers will be on top of you.

    But sure look we need to close Tivoli Road, it has a special status😳😳😳😳



  • Posts: 669 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    İMC carpark (facing the entrance to Tesco carpark) is 3 euro for the day. The old harbour is 4 per day, and the Carlisle pier and underground carpark beside the old HSS terminal are 5 per day. I know you don't actually give a **** and will just come back with some codswallop about the elderly/drivers and their struggles to get around but it's another demonstration of your being an absolute crank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Will be a lot of outdoor drinking there when the sun shines, A and E staff all around the country will tell you the results of that.

    I didnt hear much talk in the marathon meeting about Garda input into the plans, eg have they the manpower to provide Gardai, public order units on stand by, what is the plan for Georges St at night now that the passive security of buses, taxis, cars will be gone.

    Many women are afraid to use public spaces, cant believe the number who wont even go into a park after dark, there was no focus on public safety at all, no talk of plans for Myrtle SQ at night, is it just an empty space at night now.

    whats been amplfied is the voice of cycling fundamentalists and they are without exception male, we cant reorganise public space to suit male cyclists without reassuring women that measures will be taken to ensure they wont be attacked.

    And as I said this issue was only briefly raised by one female councillor and there was no reassurance given at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,316 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yeah because the regular drunken riots up and down the country in open pedestrianised town spaces is a real problem we experience every summer.... i know you will deny it but thats the implication of the phrase "if trouble kicks off".

    You are literally making up bizarre scenarios in your head to suit your own argument. The parks thing is nonsense i know many men who wouldnt go into a park after dark cus they are dark unlit creepy places with shadows and hiding places everywhere, myrtle square and the main street are well lit open areas

    I also find it ironic that you now use womens opinions and fears to back up your argument when previously you described girls being afraid to ride bikes to school as just being lazy and vain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,609 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I could imagine her alienating people and starting a rukkas…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭Mav11


    As long as she doesn't spoil my enjoyment of a nice pint in the sunshine...................carry on!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Moaning that you couldnt possible cycle a bike because your skirt is too long is the feeblest excuse ever.

    And comparing this with saying passive security of cars buses and taxis wont make public areas unsafe and unappealing to women.

    Again, what are the plans for MyrtleSq and Georges St going forward, what use will be made of Georges St at night seeing as my bus service from it will be gone.

    Surely those advocating for this change have suggestions to capitalise on this space.



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