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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,964 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Some stretch of credulity to try and link a hamfisted referendum, with wording so bad the AG had to speak up, and the user's resting anti-migrant rhetoric and potentially theoretical voxpop. The projection drawn in the outcome of this referendum, on this site, has been unreal. Some folk really, really want it to mean something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Do you have erotic dreams about unvetted military aged males by any chance? 😏



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,585 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Russia are supposed to have an economy smaller than that of Italy's, yet they apparently have the money to not only fund a war in Ukraine, but also to send agents out all over the world and fund every dissident political group in the West. Which is it? Are they strong or are they weak?

    As Adam Curtis pointed out long ago, Putin's masterstroke was to fund political groups of various kinds and then make it known that this is what he was doing with the result being that you're always guessing at what he's behind. A sort of a political panopticon.

    This article doesn't go into much specifics and reads like it's designed to further drive that same paranoia and discord. What exactly are these terrorists doing? Are they planting bombs? Are they sabotaging things?

    It's not as if Russia would have to send terrorists in order to destabilise America or the Americas, anyway. They were doing a pretty good job of shít-stirring on social media as it was.

    I'm not saying that Russia isn't sending agents across the American border, but even the mere suggestion of it is greatly effective.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Russia are supposed to have an economy smaller than that of Italy's, yet they apparently have the money to not only fund a war in Ukraine, but also to send agents out all over the world and fund every dissident political group in the West. Which is it? Are they strong or are they weak?

    It helps when you don't bother spending any money on keeping your citizens alive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Yip .. re @Podge_irl comment "It helps when you don't bother spending any money on keeping your citizens alive."

    Russia’s public spending is at unprecedented levels, and around 40% of the government budget is spent on the war. Total military spending is expected to reach more than 10% of GDP for the year 2023





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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Booooom of the month so far I would say?




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,585 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,919 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    In a similar vein albeit from the opposite view point you'll be all for such news since it aligns with your viewpoint which as we all know is absolutely the most correct take on the war. Even bringing you to ignore the funding behind such publications.





  • Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    Looks like it's over for Putin. Thousands of rebel Russian soldiers have taken several Russian towns. The Putin regime couldn't stop them on their home soil. When France enters the war the invasion force of Putler will surely fall to superior NATO tech. F16s on the way boys



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    You seems to be very keen on fighting. How about you leave one of those poor ukrainians in your house and go instead of him? They ran away precisely because they do not want to fight. You seems to have the right spirit for it so lead by example.

    If you are of an opinion that they should be deported to go back to war then perhaps you may want to apply the same to other immigrants who ran away from war in their own countries. Pretty pathetic idea of rounding up people and sending them to war - it certainly say a lot about your own character.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    If you mean recent incursion then numbers of soldiers involved were in hundreds half of whom sere eliminated while still on staging area in Ukraine. Rest of them barely made it across border. Very few managed to get back.

    As for the France I recomend you to see recent interview where Stoltenberg said for Reuters that he advised Macron to consult on important issues with members of the Alliance.

    F16's may or may not come and even if they come nobody knows in what numbers and which airports will be used as they cant use most of Ukrainian airports anyway. During the course of this war there were so many hopes and gamechangers which did not change game much like old soviet tech from ex Warsaw pact countires, Mig's, Gepards, Bradleys, Challengers, Himars, Patriots, ATACMS, Storm Shadows, Abrams, F16's... All of them too little and too late to mean anything other than some excitement and patting on the back to look good for a while in the media. Meanwhile more and more people are dead every day. This war should finish like yesterday.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yeah that's why I posted that guardian article yesterday full of positive developments for Ukraine. Why are people like you so fanatical and blinkered that everything has to be black and white?

    However like the original poster I was unaware of the background to that French newspaper and realise it should be taken with a large pinch of salt

    Post edited by rogber on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭rogber


    When Prigozhin began the March on Moscow there were also lots of premature "it's over for Putin" cries. When will people ever learn to be patient and see how things play out



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Another one hit this morning, their defences failed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    its funny thinking about how bad the western media was in reporting this war when you think back on it, the Russians running out of missiles any day now, no tires on their trucks, their army were down to wearing flipflops and dependent on washing machine parts. Were they believing their own BS or cynically reporting it?

    General Milley gave a good speech towards the end of 2022 where he thought Ukraine should negotiate with Russia on the back of Ukraine having wins on the battlefield , he thought it was their high point and they would be negotiating from a position of strength

    Now onwards, Ukraine is gradually getting weaker and so is their negotiating position. Will it be left to Trump in 2025 to call it?



    David Sacks gives a decent summary of it so far in this tweet. It certainly hasnt gone "as expected"



    "BIDEN’S BIG BACKFIRE


    Last week I gave a talk at the American Moment conference in D.C. in which I compared Biden’s claims at the beginning of the Ukraine War to how it has actually turned out.

    I explained how Biden’s policy has backfired in 4 key areas:

    1) ECONOMIC

    At the beginning of the war, Biden claimed that sanctions would “crush” the Russian economy, forcing Russia out of the war and perhaps even precipitating regime change.

    In fact, the dislocation to Russia’s economy was short-lived. By 2023, the Russian economy was outperforming the G7. Meanwhile, the real victim of sanctions was Europe, especially the German economy, which relied on cheap Russian gas to power its exports. As a result, the war is destabilizing governments throughout Europe — just not Putin’s.

    Instead of hurting the Russian economy, Biden’s economic war has hurt our European allies. This is the first big backfire.

    2) MILITARY

    At the outset of the war, the Biden administration declared that its objective was to “weaken” Russia militarily so it couldn’t wage regional war again.


    The media breathlessly amplified claims of Russian weakness and impending collapse, only to discover the reality of massive Russian industrial war production. Russian factories and forges are now ramped up and producing more artillery shells, drones, tanks, and other weapons of war.


    In fact, it’s the West that can’t keep up, with its atrophied defense industrial base. America’s own stockpiles, most notably of artillery shells and air defense, have been depleted much faster than war planners anticipated.


    The size of the Russian military has grown too, thanks to large numbers of enlistments and a casualty rate that’s decreasing over time. The Russian army has become more battle-tested and battle-hardened, learning how to defeat western weapons.


    Biden’s proxy war was supposed to weaken Russia’s military but instead has made it stronger and more formidable, while depleting America’s own stockpiles. This is the second big backfire.


    3) DIPLOMATIC / GEOPOLITICAL


    At the outset, Biden claimed that the war would show Western unity, resolve and leadership while isolating Putin.


    In fact, the rest of the world has not come along for the ride. The BRICS countries and much of the Global South reject the U.S. view of the war and refuse to sanction or condemn Russia. On a recent visit to the Middle East, Putin was greeted like a conquering hero in UAE and Saudi Arabia.


    Sanctions have only made BRICS more popular; it has added 5 new members, with a long wait list of countries seeking to join. These countries see BRICS as a defender of their economic sovereignty and a potential shield against a trigger-happy U.S. sanctions regime.


    Even liberal interventionists are now starting to notice. Fiona Hill declared that Pax Americana is over. And EU foreign minister Josep Borrell declared that the era of Western dominance has definitively ended.


    Rather than strengthening U.S. global leadership, the war has catalyzed resistance to it. This is Biden’s third big backfire.


    4) HUMANITARIAN


    At the outset of the war, Biden claimed that his policy would “aid the Ukrainian people” and “help ease their suffering.”


    But Ukraine has suffered a vast number of casualties, and its population has further declined greatly as a result of refugees (mainly women and children) fleeing the country. According to UN/World Bank, the population of Ukraine-controlled territory has decreased from 44 million to 28 million. Over 10 million of the remainder are reported to be pensioners. This is a recipe for demographic collapse.


    So instead of helping Ukraine, Biden’s proxy war policy has likely doomed it. This is backfire number four. "



    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,526 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Biden's proxy war... sorry what? Biden didn't start this war. Why isn't is described as Putin's war? Demonstration of definite bias there.

    Russia's economy is cannibalizing itself to fund the war, to talk of it as outperforming the G7 is economic illiteracy or a deliberate attempt at deception.

    If that's the view of David Sacks, then he is a sack of BS.

    Negotiate in 2022? And what happens then?

    Unless Ukraine is in NATO, or there are Western troops stationed in Ukraine as a security treaty, then what was to stop Russia coming back if they sensed weakness? It came back after a peace treaty in Chechnya, it broke multiple past agreements with Ukraine.

    Would Putin have agreed to such NATO alliance with Ukraine in 2022 and honoured it into 2024 in those circumstances?

    So Ukraine fights on.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,964 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Biden's proxy war... sorry what? Biden didn't start this war. Why isn't is described as Putin's war? Demonstration of definite bias there.

    For context, this is one of those Users who bravely thinks Ukraine just give up the territory lost - for "peace" of course - land that's the equivalent of Ireland ceding the entirety of Connacht. It's a stealth way to introduce the whole "Ukraine are just pawns and not really fighting this war" intellectually dishonest angle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭pcardin


    is it only me, but I hear Skabeyeva or Simonyan when reading this 'article' from Marianne. No matter what rogber says or will say but it does sound awful much like ruSSian propaganda. I'm not saying situation on Ukrainian side is bad, just the wording in the article is like ruSSia propaganda ABC.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Daniel Křetínský - what an appropriate surname it is. :D



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  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    What is your realistic alterative? Giving Ukraine what it needs to win the war isn't going to happen.

    At best Ukraine will be able to slowly retreat this year, if the 800k shells start to appear soon, at worse they will rapidly start to lose ground once the ground hardens.

    Any chance of pushing Russia back is just a pipe dream. It was a long shot 12 months ago, as I and a few other tried to point out to people here, but there is zero chance now.

    A Russian collapse from within is possible but Putin seems to have strengthened his position over the course of the war so that seems less and less likely as well - unless the current skirmishes are better than we have been told.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,964 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What is your realistic alterative? Giving Ukraine what it needs to win the war isn't going to happen

    They need weapons to outlast Putin, and we should supply them for as long as the Ukrainian people wish to fight. It's as realistic as it gets without Ukraine simply surrendering yet more of their borders. The Vietcong didn't "win" their war by conventional means, they simply outlasted the Americans' ability or interest to prosecute it where it became too costly, too hated by the public back home.

    Now Obviously there's a huge difference between a democratic republic's folly, with all its checks and boundaries limiting power, and a functional king who clearly sees 400k deaths (and growing) as a reasonable cost for absorbing Ukraine back into the USSR. You do see the cracks forming all the same though.

    But equally the answer, from the West's point of view, can't be just to reward Putin either. Reward him for a second time at that; he's eating at Ukraine slowly piece by piece. Otherwise Georgia, Moldova and - yes it's possible - the Eastern borders of the EU will have to consider their next steps. We're in a critical phase of the war where yes, Ukraine has shown itself as being at its weakest in months -but that has nearly entirely the fault of the West, and the continuing dumpster fire that is the Cult of MAGA Stateside.

    It's an impossible scenario to be in, but I don't think surrender can be considered anymore - and the bullish rhetoric from Macron suggests it's beginning to dawn on Western leaders too, egged on by that aforementioned mess going on in the US.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Why did you quote me???

    Edit: never mind, just caught up with your follow up post giving some info on them. Cheers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,742 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "The ordinary people you meet need to understand this."

    Oh yes, strong echoes there of Leo, Roddy and the government & NGO reps generally wrt the recent referendum votes, that the only problem was that "The ordinary people you meet need to understand this."

    Well the ordinary people did understand the referendum proposals and thrashed them. The ordinary people also understand that it's untenable to have fit and able bodied Ukrainians sheltering here when their country needs them.

    So take your "The ordinary people you meet need to understand this." and go think again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,964 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    No worries, sorry for the confusion; bit of a pointless segue I dragged into.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭Field east


    Have you FORGOTTON that Putin said that the biggest MISTAKE - political , I assume - made by any country in the history of the political world was the DECISION to break up the USSR. And now his sole mission in life is to restore the ‘OLD , defunct /gone USSR to its former glory. He has started with Moldova, then moved on to Georgia then onto Ukraine while all along he is doing his ‘damnest ‘to weaken any country that is a threat to him by cyber attacks, spreading false information, etc, etc, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭Paddigol



    There's nothing logical or just about it. Even less so your bizarre false equivalence in dragging in some half baked constitutional referendum point. That's all there is to say to your post. You conveniently ignore the clearly explained responses given to you month after month, disappear for a while, and come back raising the exact same proposal. If you're going to ignore the responses given to you, then ignoring is definitely the solution I'll reach for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭zv2


    Ireland needs to wake up and shake the flies off its face and join NATO now.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭zv2


    They have been doing this kind of thing since the Soviet Union times. Apparently Patrushev is one of the masterminds behind it.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,405 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Putin isn't looking like someone going to negotiate

    Sounds like he's banking on Ukraine to run out of ammo and then roll in unopposed



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