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Referendum on Gender Equality

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,595 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That would be a great line. Only for the government called for YES/YES and all the main opposition called for YES/YES. Not much choice left is there?

    If you are to judge all the politicians solely on the performance of these referendums you would come out with words like opportunists, idealists, uniformed, blazé, chancers and bluffers.

    All while leaned on by some “chosen” vested interests/lobby groups.

    Maybe that is just what they are? Main opposition parties basically did not have the courage to call NO/NO even if they had doubts, for fear it backfired.

    Victims of a “group think”? Safety in numbers?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    The moratorium is a relic. It should be binned at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Why has the narrative on the AG's advice turned to anger about it's leaking? The question should be why it was not divulged to the public much earlier.

    Roderic has said that the AG's advice vindicated and bolsterd his arguments for a Yes/Yes vote- if he really believed that, then why didn't he share the AG's advice sooner? The man is a pathetic liar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    It’s easy say that now - zero time or respect for sudden No voters after the event. Her “leader” was a thundering grace throughout the campaign



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    It probably had some merit in the pre-internet age when there were only two TV channels and a break from election/referendum coverage would have been a relief the day before a vote, but it is completely redundant today. Internet and social media shape political discourse far more than TV and radio these days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    You could'nt make it up,its pure deflection , McDowell mentioned it yesterday in his interview about how the Government misled the public by not releasing AG's advice, OG trying to turn it and state that to release it would have contravened Mckenna ruling, some poor low level scapegoat will be found,the greens really are a sinister and insidious bunch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ROSSA RYAN


    This is the same lad who tweeted Hamza Yusuf = Total Ride. Yes?

    https://x.com/rodericogorman/status/872970498522718209?s=20


    Thats our standard of politician.


    Imagine a heterosexual male politician tweeting the equivalent about a female. He'd be hung drawn and quartered by the righteous mob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Well that was some waste of money.

    Could have gone Into the children's hospital, or, you know, something worth spending money on.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Uriah Hissing Groin


    Typical toys out of the pram stuff from Govt focusing on leaking of a document we all had every right to see! Next they'll be blaming misinformation and calling us all far right.

    People are watching closely now. They better stfu about it and accept they were wrong. Accept it.

    Trust must be at an all time low and there is a lot of work and reshuffling to restore that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    You had good intentions, I think most people who voted Yes did. Too bad the government wasted everyone's time and money by **** this up so badly.



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  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Aranza Strong Monochrome


    They don’t even remotely understand their electorate base



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,345 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They need new advisors quickly, because they are continuing to misread the room.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    So far the 'Yes' side have come up with all sorts of excuses as to why their proposals were emphatically rejected by the Irish electorate.

    - No side too stupid to understand the referendums.

    - Religion.

    - Far right agitators.

    - Sexists/Misogynists/Racists.

    - Scare Tactics when winning debates.

    I'm sure I've missed a few but perhaps a long hard look in the mirror might explain why these amendments were the first and third highest no votes ever seen in the history of the state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    SF seriously getting on my wick now with their “we didn’t agree with the wording” spiel…. which you fully supported anyway. It’s utterly ridiculous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,062 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think you left out they couldn't understand how good it was so they voted No.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    We were so against it, in most of the country we were the only yes posters and we were all for it till the first tally at 9 40 on Saturday morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    They are still under the impression that the electorate is stupid and will buy that spiel. We won’t and SF and Labour have shown themselves to be the stupid ones. I’d have a slight bit of respect for them if they stood in front of the cameras, said they chose the wrong side then hung their heads in shame.

    I won’t even bother commenting on Paul Murphy, et al. You can’t be right in the head to vote for that shower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    Was just going to post this that O'Gorman would be gone by now if this was the UK.

    What makes me laugh is how the Green Party go on incessantly about being inclusive, progressive and they think they take the higher moral ground on everything.

    Public service is about having values such as honesty, integrity and accountability. If O'Gorman had an ounce of any of these values he would understand it is time to step down as Minister, and cycle off into the Dublin West sunset. He's a goner in the next GE you would think, although DW is moving to a 5-Seater constituency for the next GE so you never know...maybe that's why he is hanging on for dear life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭thegame983


    The media conveniently glossing over the fact that they were all yes/yes and are just as out of touch with the Irish people as those clowns in the Dail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    This Government is one of the most detached Governments I have ever witnessed in my life....

    They could have put a number of topics, ie immigration policy, education policy, social "gender" related policy, justice policy, housing policy, WHO Pandemic Treat and they would get rejected in the same numbers....

    If this lot of disgraced political entities want to survive the next 12 months they need to start culling the strategists and party leaders...everyone is watching them now, if they attempt to push their Hate Speech Legislation they could very well end up killing their political parties all together....

    We are in for a turbulent decade of unstable Governments, all because of today's charlatans who seem hell bent on completely ignoring the will of the Irish people on nearly every vital topic!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Poor opposition ?

    Fear of being labelled not progressive enough ?

    Or something else.

    This was guillotined through the Dáil by the government parties so opposition complained about the wording being vague and unclear and hardly worth it.

    By not putting any opposition to it forward but not actively campaigning against it was it to see it fail and enjoy the " told you so " moment ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


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    Then why did they so actively support a Yes? Another train wreck for the so called opposition -if I wasn’t happy with something so major I wouldn’t be going to the hassle of printing posters and press launches to support it. They had no such qualms clearly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Look at The Journal for example. In the weeks before the referendums, there were many opinion pieces chamipioning yes/yes votes over and over. Even all of their "fact check" articles were designed to bolster the "yes" argument.

    They were so deluded that even on the day before the vote, The Journal literally had a "fact-check" article advising that sending a Christmas card to a person would not mean you and them are in a 'durable-relationship'. That was surely not the biggest question that the Irish public wanted clarity on during the campaign, but god forbid they would do any real journalism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Fair enough .

    Poor opposition it is then .

    Why stand behind that poster and then say you didn't agree with it ?

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Yea, it's a bit rich of Mary Lou to say all the blame is on the governemnt. You blindly followed the goverment like nodding sheep, and even pissed away your own money on Yes/Yes posters, etc. You were complicit in this, and you share in its defeat, Mary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    You’d have to ask SF, Socdems, Labour, PB4P etc that -they ALL stood for the proposal. Now pretending otherwise!



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SF have clearly stated that they support the intent of the referendum but questioned the wording. They have also stated they will bring it back with wording more in line with that advocated by the citizens assembly. Given this position it would have been very difficult for them to campaign for a no no vote.

    Despite what the right wing boys believe most people will share SF position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    You can't support a referndum on "intent"- you can only support it or not on it's actual content.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I think at this point, it is in the public interest to know how that media outlet is being funded. It isn't profitable.

    They thought their crass, not-so-subtle attempt to belittle a potential No voter would have an impact...but for someone like me, and I suspect others like me, yesterday was refreshing to realize that the vast majority of us are not influenced by the current media class or political class. The Irish Times published polls only last week telling us this Referendum would succeed, they were bare-faced lies....if polling companies or media outlets didn't pick up on the public mood, you'd have to ask what is the purpose of them?

    If the tiny numbers of online subscribers the Irish Times has don't cancel their subscriptions first thing tomorrow morning you'd have to question their intellect, being misinformed is one thing, paying to be misinformed is a completely different matter!



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