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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,137 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I don't think Frawley is an international standard 15. He's too slow, and was exposed multiple times today because of that. He's a very good 12 and acceptable club level 15. I don't think he's good enough to cover 10 or 15 at this level, other than a break glass emergency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Just feel rightly or wrongly you are very critical of the team and maybe the criticism isn't warranted. BTW i don't think we are as good as media portrays and yes we choke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭50HX


    Ben Earl is a v good player& was excellent today, he definitely goes on the lions tour, too early to say a nailed on starting 8 tho



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Xander10


    I'd like the selection for Scotland to have one eye on the future and next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Why would you not like saying it? If he's poor and underperforming, he should be cut loose. It is what it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭OldRio


    We all know and yet nothing is done about it. Yet other good posters have left because of................ You know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭TRC10


    What have I said that was critical of the team today?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I was on the phone to a friend over in England following the match. I congratulated him on the win. Two observations he made.

    Why is Murray still in the squad? POM was a great player alas no more.

    The blame for the defeat does not reflect on his thoughts. This is more of a moving forward type of post. An alternative scrum half does not come to my mind. As for back row? Plenty do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,801 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    There'll be a few changes for the Scotland game. Nash probably won't be available so maybe Larmour will come in? Don't think there's anyone else.

    I think Baird might come in the start at blindside as well. But other than that I don't expect anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭50HX


    Can you really see the captain being dropped?

    Pom has been here before



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,801 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Don't think it's all doom and gloom. We played poorly and lost. It happens.

    JGP had a great game as did VDF. Keenan and Beirne played to a high standard as well. Henderson was decent off the bench also.

    Ronan Kelleher is starting to find the form that got him into the Ireland squad a few years ago too. He's had some excellent cameos off the bench this tournament. Another breakdown steal this week. Think that's his third.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭OldRio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    and he was dropped before for reasons similar to why he is been considered to be dropped now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Yes and the 6-2 really only works when you have a few speedsters in your three quarters to account for having to switch positions.

    Pace is the one thing that this side does not have in abundance.

    It’s Ok playing Wales and even having McCloskey on the wing from a 6-2. But we saw the folly of it today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,137 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Agree on that, definitely missing Hanson massively. Think it has been a mistake to not bring Baloucoune into the squad from the start for that reason. You can't coach speed and he's the most dynamic back in the country.

    There's only a few backs that can make 6-2 work, Frawley just isn't one of them. It's a gimmick imo and finally got exposed for it today.

    Post edited by AbusesToilets on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭50HX


    When he was dropped before he wasn't captain

    When was the last time we dropped a captain?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    6-2 definitely bit us in the ass today unfortunately, Ringrose on the bench would have been a big help

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Yes before he was captain

    Sexton was left out of games before. So was BOD and Best etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Going south in the summer would be an ideal time to rest a few lads. I see no real point to continuing with Murray. Rest Furlong and VDF.

    Bring in Prendergast and Hodnett or McAnn. I'd like to see Casey get both started along with Crowley.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Neither were left out of a championship decider..

    Farrell has backed himself into a corner with this captain decision and he will probably stick with him again. And whip him off after 50 minutes again.

    It's interesting to note that Conan has actually been brought on ahead of Baird in the last 2 games so might not have beem a straight swap baird for pom anyway.

    Whats interesting about next week is that with both frawley and Nash failing HIA's, that most likely means both are out with a 7 day turnaround. With that situation, the 6/2 split might be gone, and we are back to a 5/3. In which case Larmour is most likely to start on the right wing with Harry byrne and ringrose on the bench.


    Next year if Doak playes more 10 for Ulster he might be an option for a 6/2 split covering 9 and 10 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭50HX


    Sorry I ment in big championship games, not Inc Italy or summer tours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    We're still going to beat Scotland and win the championship.

    I echo others about watching Ireland in the mid 90's and getting thrashed all the time. Been enjoying watching Ireland a lot over the last while with all the wins and success.

    We've got some amazing young talent that will be integrated over the next few years. Reckon we'll win a couple of more championships before the next WC and and finally get past the QF in it.

    Looking forward to seeing what the constant moaners have to complain about when Ireland beat SA on the tour later this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Big fan of Baloucoune. In Farrells defence he has been playing poorly this year. Having said that Stockdale is in the squad!

    Yep Hansen was a big miss today. Might be a stretch to say this but.. if Ringrose and Hansen played the full match I would think Ireland would be better in attack and defence.

    Attack at times looked like it was - give it to Aki. Very little deception.

    Agreed. It should be the end of 6-2 if we have Ringrose and two other centres available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Any of the games that might be seen as championship deciders was the captain not performing?

    Sexton was always one of the top performing players in the team. So it's hard to say when a captain was dropped for not playng well, I certainly can't remember

    Frawley and Nash will depend on the number of HIAs they fail isnt it? they can fail the one in stadium but if they pass the next one they are available?

    If they are out the 6-2 bench is probably the best option for Scotland, we have a better pack. Larmour can play 15/13/14/11 so give many options

    Doak we should be looking at to play 9, the move to 10 is not great for Ireland IMO



  • Posts: 2,692 [Deleted User]


    I'd like to ahern and balacoune involved as well. Lineout and athleticism in back three were real problems today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭hold my beer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Unfortunately when he/it/arsehole is quoted you can réad it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Leslie Purkiss


    Great player is a stretch. Honest pro, yes, great player, no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Almost half the posts in every thread I read on the rugby forum are from accounts I've ignored. Skip over anyone commenting in reply to them. Place is far, far worse for the shite that's allowed these days. This makes it usable.



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