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March 8th - What’s your vote? **Mod Note In Post #677**

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  • #872
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,593 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    What an absolute waste of time and money all this was.



  • #873
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    4 boxes in Kingscourt Cavan showed only a handful of Yes votes

    Sample in Birr Offaly showed 80% No in Family vote

    In Mountmellick Laois 65% No for Family

    Early indications in Meath East and Mayo are for a strong No



  • #874
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,769 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869128#Comment_121869128

    There is something to be said about greater encouragement of participation in the process. Not sure if I'd go so far as to make voting mandatory, but apathy doesn't help change I agree.

    But ultimately the question was put by the politicians who made very little effort to do so in any sort of coherent manner. It's no wonder that people switched off.



  • #875
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,593 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869128#Comment_121869128

    I think the last line could also apply to the government in this case. It was a hair brained idea to have these referendums.



  • #876
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,769 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869151#Comment_121869151

    It was (IMO anyway) intended to be a distraction from the other issues that have been dominating the headlines in recent months, and to build a bit of momentum in advance of the elections.

    And the early indications would seem to suggest that they've failed on this one as well!

    At least they're consistent in that respect.



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  • #877
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869151#Comment_121869151

    If you took 15 of the dumbest weirdos in the country and placed them in the cabinet . . . you'd still have the same cabinet.



  • #878
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,907 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869143#Comment_121869143

    Well there was a lot of confusion around both referendums and last night a person said to me “ did half the people know what they were voting for ?” And that’s on the government as they called these referendums. It was the most half arsed, and half hearted referendum campaigns I can remember.



  • #879
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Voting YES for both

    Looks like it's a resounding No No

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #880
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869121#Comment_121869121

    When liberal Dublin suburbs are voting a strong No you know it’s over



  • #881
    degrassinoel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,772 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869168#Comment_121869168

    ...since the nice treaty.



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  • #882
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,907 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869178#Comment_121869178

    I think the government assumed the votes would pass, and that’s not a given in these ones.


    and I couldn’t vote in the nice treaty. Maybe I should’ve said in ones I could vote in.



  • #883
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,769 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869168#Comment_121869168

    Absolutely and that is entirely on Government.

    The longer this current Government drags on (FG have been in power since 2011) the more arrogant and out of touch they've become. Leo blatantly campaigning outside a polling station is just the latest example.

    That's also reflected in the stance on immigration, the complete failure on housing, the most expensive children's hospital in the world that STILL isn't complete (and will probably not be fit for purpose in the end anyway in part because of the location they chose), and lots of other key issues.

    It's only right that these should fail. Not as a kicking to them but as a reflection on how they failed on even putting together a coherent argument for them in the first place.



  • #884
    thecretinhop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    I think the ability for the electorate to smack this government on the nose hard is a big factor too



  • #885
    degrassinoel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,772 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869183#Comment_121869183

    Government and assumption seem to go hand in hand, especially when the electees are so far removed from reality. Cant wait for the general elections, we direly need a change of government.



  • #886
    Furze99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869168#Comment_121869168

    Look at the useless leaflet from the referendum commission, all it did was list the existing terms and proposed changes in Irish & English. I glanced at it and straight to the bin. I'd say many others didn't even get opened.

    No attempt at all to list a few pros and cons for accepting or rejecting. No FAQ. If the intent is to inform it was a pretty useless waste of time, paper & money.

    This stems from a reluctance to spend public money promoting a No campaign. But if we really believe in democracy and the right to vote Yes or No, then the government must learn that they need to inform the public better of all sides of the case.



  • #887
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,769 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869178#Comment_121869178

    That turned out to be prophetic - from the wiki page :


    However, many Irish voters were critical of the Treaty contents, believing that it marginalised smaller states.


    ... Which is exactly what happened during the financial crisis.



  • #888
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,907 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    It's only right that these should fail. Not as a kicking to them but as a reflection on how they failed on even putting together a coherent argument for them in the first place.

    No. I don’t agree with giving the government kicking. I read what is being asked, and I wasn’t sure on both but the care referendum from what the AG said was a complete mess. I couldn’t vote yes on it.



  • #889
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,525 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Voting YES for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869000#Comment_121869000

    I am not one to look for conspiracy theories when there clearly isn't one, like people bringing there own pens as they dont trust that their choice wont be rubbed out (not a joke). I honestly don't think people care that much. Exit polls make zero difference. It always seemed like a waste of money.

    Hence the low turn out, a lot of people had no idea what they were voting for so I don't blame them. I eventually voted yes/no.



  • #890
    Seamus4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Seamus4life


    Voting NO for both

    The people have spoken, cue the usual lefty mouthpieces saying how backwards we are and we will be a laughing stock on the world stage. The same country that rejects this , accepted gay marriage, abortion and children rights. At least my mother will still be recognised as such by the state tomorrow when I thank her for all she did for me when my da had to work himself to an early grave to feed us all



  • #891
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,525 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Voting YES for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869169#Comment_121869169

    Yep not that surprising.

    Government made a proper hash on messaging, impact etc. A complete waste of money.



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  • #892
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,769 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869208#Comment_121869208

    I agree with you. As above this would seem to be failing because they didn't bother putting together a proper case for the changes to the electorate in the first place and presumed that it'll pass based on personalities rather than the issue.

    Thankfully it would seem that people agree that vague language and deliberate misrepresentation isn't going to wash on this one.



  • #893
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Voting NO for both

    So, will the government get another kicking in June, another referendum, local and MEP elections!



  • #894
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,525 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Voting YES for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869232#Comment_121869232

    I don't see anyone saying that on here do you? This will not make us a laughing stock, you are looking for outrage that doesn't seem to really exist. It wasn't clear what people were voting for and its possible impact. The government messaging was abysmal. I changed to yes/no after doing some more reading.



  • #895
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    As per irish indo


    Sources in the Labour Party and Fianna Fáil are predicting a no vote in the both the referendums on family and care.

    Early indications from tallies taken of the two ballot papers being separated show areas in Dublin considered working class have overwhelming vote against the two proposed constitutional changes.

    The votes are tighter in more affluent parts of the city but still show a No-No vote in many ballot boxes.

    Some campaigners left the RDS Dublin Count Centre before 10am believing the vote had been lost.



  • #896
    degrassinoel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,772 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869247#Comment_121869247

    I hope at the very least it'll be a bigger turn-out than yesterday



  • #897
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,769 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869247#Comment_121869247

    That should depend on how people evaluate their performance on those issues.

    It probably won't be pretty then either if people look back at how things are going in particularly the last number of years on issues like immigration, housing, health, reform and accountability etc etc.

    They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory on any of the issues.



  • #898
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,525 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Voting YES for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869247#Comment_121869247

    The polls would suggest no, who are the alternatives? the only real party of any substance at all that strongly pushed for a No/No were Aontu, who else are people realistically going to vote for Derek Blighe? or Justin Barrett? (I don't even think his own party can decide if he is their leader after the gold heist lol).



  • #899
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869195#Comment_121869195

    I’d have still voted no no but the added bonus was giving them a good kicking



  • #900
    KevMayo88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both

    I literally cannot wait for Varadkars' loser speech today, and the procession of brow-beaten leftie mouthpieces foaming and seething from the mouth today on TV.

    Of course it won't be their fault- it will be the "far-right", "online misinformation", "low-voter turnout", "Russian collusion"...etc.



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  • #901
    Seamus4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Seamus4life


    Voting NO for both

    Listening to news talk in car just now, commentators saying just that.



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