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March 8th - What’s your vote? **Mod Note In Post #677**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭dasdog


    Voting NO for both

    [X] No to Article 41.1.1 - Amending a constitution with vague language is ridiculous.

    [X] No to Article 41.3.1 - Not that I disagree but this to me is a non-issue.

    Constitutional changes should be important like the campaign to repeal the eighth amendment. It's a distraction and shows how all of our political parties are completely out of touch. I was disengaged but could not let this slip and I hope both get rejected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    I am voting NO (family amendment)

    I threw €50 down myself yesterday. I wouldn't read too much into the odds moving, I bet €150 on the last election date and it moved the odds so a relatively small amount of money will do that on the more novelty bets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Kildare787


    Cheers, they were taken down briefly. I can see them there now again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Kildare787


    Nice little bet if it comes in for you!



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Voting NO for both

    Well, I've kept to my word and went straight to vote after work and voted no on both accounts. I think it's too vague and when i hear people like Micheál Martin who said "We never got a bailout" and Leo Varadkar speaking in general, is a turn off. At the end of the day these are tokenistic votes, Why weren't we given votes on water ownership etc?

    I think it's just for the current parties to point and look at their achievements. Kinda like the same-sex marriage, All for it when the tide blows and then claim the victory. Women have the right to make up their own minds on what they choose, and i feel there's a bit "Neo-liberalism" going on here as well. I voted yes for same-sex marriage but i'm getting some vibes and doubts from this and seeing as they couldn't explain proper, I voted no to both accounts

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Voting NO for both

    I can’t wait to see the Government try and blame ‘The Far Right’ and ‘Russian disinformation’ tomorrow for their embarrassing lack of ability to read the room



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Voting NO for both

    That is true, I forgot about the "racist" referendum we had to address an anomaly introduced by the good Friday agreement. That said, it was backed by the government, McDowell iirc. If no-no prevails in both tomorrow he will have led the charge on 4 successful referendum campaigns.

    At the time of the 2004 vote, it didn't feel like the turning point that this one could be. The atmosphere online indicates to me at least that this is the foreshock of anti establishment sentiment that will sweep away large numbers of local reps from traditional parties at the summer elections.

    That said, Yes could still romp home here and that anger at government is overstated. No one knows yet.

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  • Posts: 31 [Deleted User]


    Voting NO for both

    #Voted NoNo



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Voting NO for both

    When enough Yes votes have been found.



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Voting NO for both

    Had people walking into my booth at 9.55.

    The feckers had from 7am and left it till the last 5 minutes.

    Picked up in the late afternoon/ evening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    Voting NO for both

    Probably shift workers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    I'd dearly love to see the statistics prove you incorrect. There are many, many more threads on boards populated by more women than men and to suggest that Conservative men are all that posts on the subject is just lazy. This is a general two-barrels backlash at a government that has taken this country down a very dangerous path while ignoring the mandates of the logical, educated, experienced and pragmatic demographic. Outside the airy-fairy bubble, many millions of people in this country are barely surviving day to day. Keeping jobs, getting kids through college, home energy costs, waiting months for health appointments etc are way, way up the list of priorities. And then there's Eamon Ryan.

    This is the beginning of the end for this government. Next will be the Local elections.

    I live in a household of 4 women, ( partner and 3 young adult kids) and all voted No.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,028 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Voting NO for both

    Voted around 4pm

    Nobody but myself there at the time.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Voting NO for both

    You were paid to be there til 10. What's the hourly rate?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Voting YES for both

    I went on my way to work at 9.30, was very quiet in Dublin 7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Consonata


    Voting YES for both

    Well over half the voting age population are currently married, and certainly in a referendum like this with low turnout that %age will trend even higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Voting NO for both

    I voted No to both.

    The "Durable Relationships" being undefined is what I am voting no to that referendum. Its a Pandora's Box. I would have voted yes to this part if "durable relationships" was not contained in it. Something with implications for family law, child custody, inheritance and immigration policy (family reunification in particular) is actually way more complicated than how the government presented it. It is not just about single parent families. I would have voted yes to constitutional recognition of single parent families and unmarried parent families had it been written like that. "Durable Relationships" is far too vague. And the AG advice that The Ditch revealed backs up my concerns.

    I was less sure on the other one, the so called "women in the home" article. The solution on this would have been to add something on father's duties in raising the child. Instead they decided to delete the reference to mother's altogether. This is throwing out (no pun intended) the baby with the bathwater. I am concerned that deleting it would make it harder for mothers to defend things like carer's allowance in the courts. There is a pending courtcase based on Article 41.2 by a mother of a disabled child who was refused carer's allowance by the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭maebee


    Voting YES for both

    Wouldn't fault them on that. They had a busy day and still found the time to do their duty at the last minute.



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Voting NO for both

    How do you know they had a busy day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,158 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You must be so proud! Imagine a 22 year old going out to vote!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,158 ✭✭✭realdanbreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,158 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I can almost see the MAGA cap, the grey beard and the pot belly!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Voting NO for both

    If I were an American I would probably be considered a moderate Democrat. However by Irish standards I think we are already a liberal society and what the government is trying to do is setting different freedoms against each other, particularly to the potential detriment of women who may not want to work outside the home due motherhood and not having a partner or people to help her with childcare. This creates a dilemma for moderate liberals.

    Also, I have no idea what a "durable relationship" is, and don't trust our judiciary to decide. We have some ridiculous rulings from certain judges.

    I voted yes to divorce in 2017 (liberalisation of divorce laws), the abortion referendum and the same sex marriage referendum. Those were better defined than this. I don't remember whether I voted yes or no to the Children's Referendum, but the issues going on with TUSLA which were raised by Peadar Toibin TD and others may have vindicated my caution.

    I also think the Electoral Commission was fairly balanced in this referendum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,390 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,042 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Voting NO for both

    A durable relationship with FFG is something I won't strive for anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭mrslancaster



    Is this a first for a party leader - canvassing outside a polling station? A FG spokesperson said no breach of the electoral rules happened because LV didn't obstruct or induce any electors in the vicinity of the polling station. Fair enough he didn't obstruct or impede anyone, but he must have been 'in the vicinity' because the big yellow sign on the school railings behind him clearly says Polling Station. Also he did try to induce people into voting yes by posting that video.


    147.—(1) A person shall not interfere with or obstruct or impede an elector going to or coming from or in the vicinity of or in a polling station.

    (2) During the period commencing 30 minutes before the time appointed for the taking of a poll at an election, including a poll which has been adjourned under section 107 , and ending 30 minutes after the close of the said poll, a person shall not, in or in the curtilage of a polling station or in any place within 100 metres of such station, for the purpose of promoting the interest of a political party or furthering the candidature of a candidate or candidates or soliciting votes for a candidate or candidates or for any contrary purpose, do any or all of the following things:

    (a) loiter or congregate with other persons;

    (b) attempt to induce, by any means whatsoever, an elector to vote for a candidate or candidates or vote in a particular way or refrain from voting;

    (c) display or distribute any notice, sign or poster (other than a notice, sign or poster displayed by the returning officer) or card, circular or other document relating to the election; or

    (d) use or cause to be used any loud-speaker or other public address mechanism to broadcast matter relating to the election.

    (3) For the purpose of this section, a polling station shall be deemed to include all parts of the building and any land within the curtilage of the building in which the polling station is situate and the distance referred to in subsection (2) shall be measured from any entrance to the polling station or to the curtilage thereof.

    (4) A person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2) shall be guilty of an offence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭Hawkeye123


    Voting NO for both

    Any word on the exit polls?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Voting NO for both

    Who would one make a complaint to regarding this? Gardai?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭DaSchmo


    Voting NO for both

    This result and the reaction to it by political parties and the media is going to be so interesting if there's one or more "no's". Privately I'd imagine FF and FG will be furious with Roddy O'G who regardless of the result has made a complete dog's dinner of it (that and literally everything else in his portfolio come to think of it) and has also been almost invisible during the campaign with the exception of one very weak performance debating on Radio 1 half an hour prior to the media blackout.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,525 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




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