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March 8th - What’s your vote? **Mod Note In Post #677**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,819 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The problem is, nobody has been able to state that as a fact. Quiet the opposite. When pressed on what the outcome could mean in both cases some of the yes side revert to emotive language, light on facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Voting NO for both

    What reasons would you have voted yes for? What purpose did this referendum serve for your fellow citizen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Consonata


    Voting YES for both

    Most folk, and almost assuredly most who are voting in this referendum, will be married folk who will retain all the rights and obligations that they would have had prior to said referendum. Nothing would change regarding this.

    Wrt carers, at one end, very little changes beyond removing the onus of one specific gender to provide care in the home, and at the other end, as what seems to be the AG's impression, the state will have greater responsibility in protecting the rights of those who need help in law. Hard to see how that is a bad thing, nor is something that affects most voters.

    For a lot of people voting, the driving factor for a No vote seems to be to give the government a kicking rather than being all that opposed to the new law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Voting NO for both

    "Even though nothing changes for anyone"

    And that is exactly why I voted No & No. Reckless to vote Yes for the family one as it's not clear at all what you'd be agreeing to. And the second unnecessarily removes references to mothers etc.

    So nothing will change and we'll all know where we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,819 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    If that's what you think, fair enough. When people arent certain of the outcomes or haven't been convinced of the outcomes of a change, the default decision should be to remain as is. I don't see an issue with this logic. It is up to the persons looking for change to convince others that this change is a beneficial change.

    Again, I'll state, I had no issues with last two referendums and change that happened as a result.

    For the record, for me, it's not to give the government a kicking as most of the opposition are on the same side of the fence as the government parties on this one from what I can tell.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    No to both I hate this woke government .Anything this lot say vote the opposite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 CoastalCork


    Great to the concensus against these dreadful amendments .They won't pass thanks to Muintir na h Eireann

    The people of Ireland must now be as resolute standing up to prevent Helen Mcentees hate speech fascist law coming into effect .

    Common sense Abu



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 CoastalCork


    Encourage everyone with a pulse out to vote No No .

    Right up to 10pm .my 22year old just went out and voted no ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    Voting NO for both

    wife just gone there now… No No. Would be a fantastic start to the weekend if the No side wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    Hopefully boards.ie isn't an echo chamber, but based on comments here it's a landslide



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    Anyone I spoke to has been a no, but in saying that I haven't spoken to a hundred people :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭Hawkeye123


    Voting NO for both

    If those in power and the main stream media reckon the referendums will be defeated, they will try to downplay the result by saying things like the turnout was low which may or may not be the case. Truth is the first casualty of a corrupt regime.

    If either of the referendums are carried, will the result be questioned? I mean, it doesn`t look likely from the general commentary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,293 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    I am voting NO (care amendment)

    Voted Yes to the 39th Amendment and No to the 40th Amendment.

    Yes to the Family Amendment because I didn't feel the negatives outweighed the positives. In particular I heard some examples both in the news and from a work colleague of family setups which have been at least partially disenfranchised because marriage is recognised over and above other stable and meaningful relationships. I wish the wording was stronger, but I think ultimately the greater good is achieved with it than without.

    No to the Care Amendment because it takes a starting position of effectively no constitutional reference to care at all, which allows statute to define it, and instead muddies the waters with the word "strive". I do think there has been some misinterpration of that word - it is a strong one and I had to look up the definitions to find it is in fact a much stronger word than "endeavour", which was touted as an alternative. However I also read that the legal advice around the word was that a court may struggle to rule on it in the way I think the disctionary defnition is intended and instead lean towards a more lenient interpretation. I also watched Senator Tom Clonan, who has a son requiring care, give a couple of impassioned arguments against the amendmenent. I've read Senator Clonan's columns in the Journal for some time, mainly on military or defence matters, and always found his narrative insightful, balanced and logical. I gave a lot of weight to his view which I have respected for some years, and he is for sure more knowledgeable in this area than I am.

    I also felt it didn't adequately address reccomendations of the Constitutional Convention which was the below and which I felt reflected two entirely seperate issues:

    "Make Article 41.2 (on the role of women) gender-neutral to include other carers both ‘in the home’ and ‘beyond the home’.

    The State should provide ‘a reasonable level of support’ to carers."

    All things considered I felt this amendment opened the door to too much (more) ambiguity as to the state's responsibility regarding care, was essentially half-baked, didn't necessarily represent an improvement on a zero reference to care, and needs wording which is much less open to interpretation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    Voting NO for both

    ah dude don’t be saying that! hopefully it’s the other way around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭martco


    Voting NO for both

    voted NO NO

    and there's 5x other NO NO's that I know of in my own extended family

    2x reasons:

    1) that wishy washy language, like "strive"??? they can't be serious

    2) I want to punch that Thatcherite fupp in the face, a warmup for the coming GE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Voting NO for both

    Gavan Reilly saying on twitter that no exit polls expected - none commissioned by the media.

    Posters saying IPSOS were polling people, but apparently it's an Electoral Commission research exercise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,293 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    I am voting NO (care amendment)


    I don't feel that's a reasonable logic upon which to base a vote in a constitutional referendum.

    The Government that put the question may be incompetent, that doesn't mean their proposed answer to the question is. At the local, European, Presidential elections - sure, have a proxy vote against the governement of the day - but the constitution is our fundamental law and has to be judged on its merits alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭I says


    Voting NO for both

    As was said early people have being waiting in the long grass for years to get at these buffons in Dáil Éireann. Today was that chance. The togs will be fairly **** tomorrow and with local and general elections looming the anti FF/FG/SF green will only get larger. We are heading for Italian style politics with 7 or 8 parties trying to form minority governments. The contempt that they’ve held the people for a century has now come back to bite them. FF and FG can’t blame each other anymore after time in opposition. They’re all sucks off the one sow now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Kildare787


    Odds have been taken down by boyles. Anyone know what the closing odds where?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Danny Drier


    Stop your gibberish and taste the pain of defeat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Voted No for both.

    I am pale, male and stale though so no surprise there.

    I’ve been voting in referenda for over 30 years now. For EU related votes I’ve always voted in favour of the government line. Back in the day I voted for divorce; I voted for SSM; I abstained from the abortion vote as I was leaning towards No but I didn’t feel comfortable voting against the proposal (In the early 90’s I collected signatures in favour of an abortion referendum on O’Connell Street and fought with SPUC nut jobs, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve become a bit more conservative on this issue).

    I had planned on voting Yes today until I started reading about the proposals and listened to the debates. I had assumed that the government would give us a well thought out text and could show benefit from any constitutional changes. They did the exact opposite. The final push for me towards No was Helen McEntee doing a Helen Lovejoy on Primetime with her won’t someone think of the children crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The family amendment was at 4/11 to be No.

    The care amendment was at 2/7 to be No.

    Time: 20:44

    I think that double No was at 4/9.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    Voting NO for both

    why would you assume most who are voting in this referendum will be "married folk"???



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 14,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Voting NO for both

    My local polling station in Dublin 7 was pretty quiet when I went there to vote at 4pm, after finishing my work for the week.

    A few frail old dears being helped into the school building, but that's been the case the last few times I was there for general election in 2020 and the 2018 abortion referendum. The elderly get out to vote or are helped get out to vote.

    The young lads staffing the polling table told me it had been very quiet but was picking up a bit. Cast my no/no votes and off I went.

    For the record, I am a 48 year old gay man in a long-term relationship, would hold pretty centre-left political views (I believe in common sense and fairness), I voted yes to repeal the 8th in 2018 and have always voted for progressive social change in referenda right back to the first one I voted in as a college student, the 1995 divorce referendum.

    This was a complete botch job of a referendum by an utterly inept and out of touch govt and that's why I rejected their very poorly thought-out proposals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Voting NO for both

    You definitely voted double No😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    Voting NO for both

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭flos1964


    Voting NO for both

    No No 4/9 ... Yes Yes 3/1.. Family referendum No 4/11 Yes 15/8... Care referendum No 2/7 Yes 9/4.



  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Kildare787


    I took 10/11 and 4 to 6 in a double this morning. The prices closed in a good bit. A lot of people must think it's gonna be a no no. However knowing my betting history it will likely go the other way :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭flos1964




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,293 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    I am voting NO (care amendment)
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    Boyle. Just search.



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