March 8th - What’s your vote? **Mod Note In Post #677**

Exactly, and it's no coincidence in the timing of the change of referendum. They fear a legal precedent.

There's far too many well meaning voters out there who are asleep at the wheel. They're bad fcuking actors this govt.

How did you not anything on the term durable relationship? There has been lots of information about it. Here's one from the Chair of the Electoral Commission...

That's still not a well worded definition, it's far too subjective. I know they're just two off the cuff examples she gave and not to be taken literally as definition but that's simply her opinion and provides no scope. If we have examples from previous high court cases why not use them to illustrate the point? The answer is that they didn't want to because it's too vague. You can't leave it up to the regular voter to go hunting down legal decisions, put it in front of them.

What I would have liked to have seen was a document or something that said when you are being asked to vote, a durable relationship can be considered as... and then a list of potential things that could be characteristic of a durable relationship. In the absence of that certainty I had to vote no.

Helen said it on the debate Wednesday night as her closing punchline

I voted Yes Yes. Up here it's only Aontú campaigning so even if I hadn't already made up my mind that certainly wouldn't change it. Two factors have impacted votes towards No, I was shown a video claiming that divorcing women who worked in the home would have no rights over the family home. Clearly scaremongering but my reply was "who would legislate for that, even if it was possible through a loophole? The other is the muddying of the waters around the care referendum. I was a (male) carer for my parents before their deaths, and afaic the wording is an improvement.

Leo and Helen I’ve heard.

I’m confused about that case- essentially the argument is not about the carers allowance but rather that carers allowance should not be means tested? As an extension of that, if the wording of the constitution remains as is, mothers should be able to claim an allowance for the work they do at home regardless of the means that are already coming into the home?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the case but I cannot see how that could possibly be won.

I am what Leo would call "far right", i.e. a normal person. But, I would concede I am not a leftist. Consequently Aontú were never on my radar, but fair play to them for standing up for what they believe in. Aontú are an unusual combination of leftism and moral conservatism. I reckon both referendums will be defeated and Aontú will rightly claim to be more atune with the Irish people than any of the parties that supported the referendum.

Aontú are the result of Peadar Toibín splitting from Sinn Fein over the referendum to repeal the 8th so yeah they would be economically left and agree with a lot of what the leftist parties would sing about from that point of view while at the same time being quite conservative in other matters

It's funny, if you look at the thread on this on reddit Ireland, the majority are all yes/yes or at least yes/no, with the posters there generally being younger and more liberal compared to boards. Goes to show that the few remaining posters here are all male and conservative, so I'm not sure this thread is a good indication of the result, but I still wouldn't be surprised if No/No is the outcome, it will be very close I think.

theres clearly a problem here in regards communication, im not alone in understanding whats actually been asked here, i went no no, but ive no clue if that truly is how i feel, this has been a dreadful referendum

You no more have a clue on the demographics/beliefs of voters than you do of which way this will go.