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Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • #1922
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121716545#Comment_121716545

    What bin?

    Thats just a photo of somebody's driveway!

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  • #1923
    Gaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Gaz


    Rather than wait about 3 seconds for me to pass the bus stop, this fool of a bus driver forced his way past me. This felt alot closer than it looks.


    https://streamable.com/f7ojxi


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  • #1924
    Dr_Colossus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    I'd have thumped the side of the bus there to alert him of my presence, was expecting words when you overtook and passed his window as an unbelievably stupid and dangerous move by the bus driver.

    I find Dublin bus drivers on the whole very good but there are some desperate idiots on the roads. The other morning a driver overtook me into the back of a line of traffic at a red light, he had about 3m to gain and we reached the traffic at the same time. I congratulated him on his "great progress" and continued on filtering past the line of stationary cars while he started roaring something incoherent and then blasting his horn.

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  • #1925
    fiacha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭fiacha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121787247#Comment_121787247

    Video image quality is excellent. Been checking the price but can't bring myself to hit buy ! The value of bits on the bar is already near the value of the bike :)

    I've given up and started just slowing and giving buses the lane when approaching stops. I always feel very squishy when they are alongside or behind me knowing that they will be wanting to turn in for the stop.

    Certainly worth sending that video to Dublin Bus. Be interesting to know if you would hear back from them about it.

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  • #1926
    Gaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Gaz


    Their online complaints form wont accept non-standard characters (eg: the / in a URL), i've submitted a complaint and asked them to contact me for the video. I'll update if I hear back.

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  • #1927
    Gaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Gaz


    Got a response, hopefully they follow through and its not just lip service ...


    I refer to your email regarding an incident with one of our drivers on route 27A, on Monday 19.02.2024 at approx. 08:56

    Firstly I would like to apologise for the poor experience you had when dealing with one of our employees. Awareness and patience with all other road users and pedestrians forms an integral part of both our initial bus driver training and our on-going refresher training courses. Dublin Bus is aware of the role it plays in ensuring the health and safety of all our fellow road users. I have identified the driver involved in this incident and they will be interviewed and dealt with by the Depot Operations Manager here at Clontarf Depot.

    On behalf of Dublin Bus, I would like to apologise for any distress that may have been caused to you, and thank you for bringing this matter to our attention.

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  • #1928
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    I would tend to agree that a lot are very aware of cyclists, but I find just with the sheer number of busses you have to deal with in your lane on a daily basis there's always going to be issues. The problem is more with the actual road infrastructure than anything else.

    I was going passed Wesley Rugby club a few days ago, overtook a parked bus at the bus stop there and he started pulling out when I was level with his cab. Didn't see me at all. I'd say if I was milliseconds slower he would have gone straight into me. One of those moments where you can feel the breeze of death behind you as you whizz by 😲

    The whole 'overtake and immediately pull in' that you see in Gaz's video happens to me all the time on my commute to different degrees. It's such a common occurrence in Dublin city centre that I've just come to expect it as normal as cycle defensively whenever busses are about.

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  • #1929
    Dr_Colossus
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    Send that on to TrafficWatch if you remember the reg as it might at least require him to answer some questions, mention the lack of seat belt also as guard might actually act on that if he inadvertently admits it. Attitudes make a big difference in diffusing a situation so when someone does wrong, admits it and apologies I'd be inclined to let it go if no damage done but with such scum as above doubling down and/or doing so deliberately make it as difficult as possible for them.

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  • #1930
    nilhg
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    Not 100% sure which thread this belongs in but this one seems appropriate for a start, mods please move if appropriate.

    The Dublin Inquirer has set up an active travel collision/near miss tracking website which seems quite user friendly


    https://www.collisiontracker.ie/

    Hard to know what effect it might have but a visual record of locations of incidents should eventually build up a picture of what's happening on the roads

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  • #1931
    fiacha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭fiacha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827121#Comment_121827121

    That tool might be worthy of a sticky post on the forum.

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  • #1932
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Figured that I'd put this here, given the topic...

    https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1762929811146633302


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  • #1933
    JMcL
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827121#Comment_121827121

    Very Dublin centric at the moment, though given it's a Dublin Inquirer initiative that's fair enough.@fiacha 's suggestion of a sticky isn't a bad one if we could get a wider geographic spread. It's the kind of thing that could be pointed at when trying to convince council etc. of poor infra

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  • #1934
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,213 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I believe the idea is you're meant to leave the cycle lane clear and wait for cyclists to go ahead before you turn left.

    I'd be pissed off too if someone moved in to deliberately block the lane as well tbh. One car at the front not too bad, I usually move to the right or directly behind any cars I see with left indicators on at a junction anyway but generally it happens that people behind go "monkey see, monkey do" and you end up with several hundred metres of cycle lane that's blocked by cars.

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  • #1935
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856109#Comment_121856109

    Welcome to the world of sh1te cycling infrastructure where it frequently puts people on bikes in direct conflict for space with people in driving!

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  • #1936
    buffalo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856109#Comment_121856109

    It's a dashed line cycle track, so non-mandatory, therefore you're allowed drive in it. So complaints about you being in the cycle lane should be directed to the local authority who didn't make a larger cycle track and mark it with a solid white line.

    However, while you're waiting with your indicator on, cyclists are allowed overtake on the left or right. They may not overtake a vehicle on the left where "vehicle to be overtaken has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle". (SI 2012/332)

    So while a driver is sitting in a non-moving queue, or is far back from the turn, cyclists can proceed up the inside. However, as a driver (who is indicating) approaches the turn, a cyclist is no longer allowed to overtake on the left.

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  • #1937
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856400#Comment_121856400

    In this instance the cyclists should have waited, car was ahead, indicating, and had moved to the left before they got there.

    There was no obligation for them to wait behind the stationary car waiting at the lights.

    They didn't know the rules about not filtering up the lhs of a car doing so nevermind that a dashed cycle lane isn't a cycle lane, it's a shared lane so the OP was entitled to be in it.

    It is a cycle but not a mandatory cycle lane. Not being a mandatory cycle lane means that drivers can move into if necessary but that doesn't remove the fact that it is a still a cycle lane.

    I agree that the OP was allowed to be there. I'm guessing that they possibly didn't need to be as left as they were but I (& you) wasn't there so don't know how far into the cycle lane the wheels sat.

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  • #1938
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858417#Comment_121858417

    Can you refer us ro that specific piece of legislation because I know of another law which was quoted earlier today which disproves your claim entirely?

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  • #1939
    buffalo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858107#Comment_121858107

    The full text is also in my post. "Approaches the turn" was my attempt at a summarisation. If a cyclist is just behind a car as it approaches a junction, it's on them to watch the indicators and leave braking space. It's the driver's responsibility to signal in good time and check their blind spots (and not overtake before making a turn), but if you're saying they have yield to someone behind them, that gets really difficult.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858380#Comment_121858380

    There is no new wording. That 2012 SI was the one that made it legal to overtake on the left, unless you can give a prior reference?

    They are not legally allowed to filter on the left when the vehicle has already moved to the left.

    Why not?

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  • #1940
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858586#Comment_121858586

    Without any further waffle, can you please cite the law you're basing your argument on?

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  • #1941
    Seth Brundle
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    It was posted earlier (quoting from the earlier post)...

    They may not overtake a vehicle on the left where "vehicle to be overtaken has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle". (SI 2012/332)

    The cyclists were clearly able to pass the OP given that they interacted with them!

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  • #1942
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858884#Comment_121858884

    So you're agreeing that you were wrong on that law then. Thanks for confirming.

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  • #1943
    buffalo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858586#Comment_121858586

    As I understand it, the OP was stationary and likely to remain so while the lights were red, so perfectly legal to overtake on the left? Are you trying to say that if a car moves into a left-hand lane, it is no longer legal to overtake it on the left?

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  • #1944
    Seth Brundle
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    FFS, no it is not (maybe you're just trolling now?)

    Point out the specific part of the law which says that cyclists should not have moved along the LHS of the OP while he is sitting there at the lights waiting for a green light. I'll help you out again with rhe legislation text...

    (b) A pedal cyclist may overtake on the left where vehicles to the pedal cyclist’s right are stationary or are moving more slowly than the overtaking pedal cycle, except where the vehicle to be overtaken—


    (i) has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle,


    (ii) is stationary for the purposes of permitting a passenger or passengers to alight or board the vehicle, or


    (iii) is stationary for the purposes of loading or unloading.”,

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  • #1945
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859234#Comment_121859234

    I'm a regular poster here but feel free to report my posts if you're offended.

    Now, the OP was waiting at the lights (said so themself). Cyclists were able to pass by him and interact with him so were clearly able to pass the OP's car (although it was possibly tight - not important to the question).

    So I'll phrase this clearly for you: what specific text of the legislation I quoted made what the cyclists did illegal as you're continuing (for some bizarre reason) to claim?

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  • #1946
    cletus
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    @standardg60, you seem to think that by positioning himself/herself in the left turning lane, that's enough to have begun "execut[ing] a movement."

    The point being argued (and, in fact, the law quoted above) does not hold that up. The op would have to be either actively turning, car moving, rounding the junction in order for left filtering by the cyclists to be illegal, or have a green light, and the option to begin the manoeuvre, before the cyclists were able to pass.

    As the op has stated that they were stopped at the lights, they couldn't simultaneously be turning at the junction. Therefore there was no reasonable expectation (per the law) that the driver could manoeuvre left before the cyclists filtered past.

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  • #1947
    Seth Brundle
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    As mentioned, the problem lies with crap box ticking design that creates conflict between different road users.

    The cyclists shouldn't be using the footpath but I do get the idea of them wanting to be in front of traffic before it starts turning (I wouldn't assume that all drivers intending to turn are indicating)

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  • #1948
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860111#Comment_121860111

    Something like that would be a good idea. My last communication with a roads enginner was in relation to a new shared footpath/cycle lane along Dublin's Nangor Road. My issue is where they built the access ramp (at the yellow star) to get to the cycle lane. Using the following image, if I am cycling from where I've put a green star, I want to get onto the cycle lane but in order to do so, I need to cycle against traffic.

    The engineer felt it was a satisfactory solution for me to take the first exit from the roundabout, get off my bike and walk it around the roundabout via the red stars.

    image.png
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860126#Comment_121860126

    I assume you do know that the Rules of the Road is not the law and just an interpretation of the law with numerous inaccuracies. When you are stopped at a set of lights, you do NOT have priority. Cyclists as per the legislation I and others have shown are legally entitled to travel up along your left.

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  • #1949
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,481 ✭✭✭cletus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860126#Comment_121860126

    That makes no sense. In order to change lane to the left turning lane, the op would have had to check for cyclists. Lets presume he did, saw none, and proceeded into the left turn lane.

    There is now a new manoeuvre to be completed, namely, turning left at the actual junction. Even though he is indicating his intention to turn left, he is stopped at a red light, so there is no expectation that he will be able to complete that manoeuvre before the cyclists filter past.

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  • #1950
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861280#Comment_121861280

    I had one on the way home this evening as it happens.

    Heading along Tubber Lane (between Hazelhatch & Lucan) a driver, despite being on the only part of the lane that gives excellent overtaking opportunities, skimmed past me and disappeared off ahead despite my scream.

    As it happened, about 500m further on at the narrowest part of the lane, he was facing two oncoming cars and was reversing backwards.

    I pulled up alongside him and asked why he passed me like that and he beeped his horn and reversed more. However, he had caught himself against the ditch and needed to manoeuvre forwards: where I was standing. I apologised to the drivers behind for any delay but both seemed fine (more puzzled than anything).

    Anyhow the muppet hadn't the balls to interact with me so I went on, knowing that he was behind me I continued along, taking the lane so to speak. Another couple of hundred metres along a pedestrian coming towards me called me so I stopped (in the middle of the lane). Turns out the pedestrian was looking to get to the canal at Hazelhatch as he had friends fishing there (he was holding his phone so not sure how he couldnt use the maps app???). After giving him comprehensive instructions to ensure he wouldn't get lost again, I grabbed the following pic and headed on further with the idiot behind...

    20240307_171548.jpg

    Edit: typos

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  • #1951
    secman
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    Encountered 4 absolutely stupid cnuts behind wheels this morning, all happened in last 10km of my spin

    Stupid cnut No 1: I was coming down the embankment and several cars were in a hurry to get out of one of the lanes on right hand side, 3 had ample time and space but stupid cnut No 1 pulls out as i am literally passing the lane and drives parallel to me on the middle of the road down embankment 😑

    Just down from that incident I encounter stupid cnut No 2. He's pulling out of the last lane on left hand side just up from plant yard on the right. He's in a super sized van, he's edged out, he's looking at me with my front flashing light, waits until I'm 10 feet from him and starts to pull out to turn right and go up the embankment, had to swerve around him and then stupid cnut No 2 decides to remind me how stupid he actually is and blows horn at me !

    At jobstown Inn I'm rolling along and I meet stupid cnut no 3, he's a professional driver in a 241D reg private bus, he decides to see how close he can get to me without touching me, would have thought a professional driver would have heard about 1.5 meters when passing a cyclist. 😪

    On Belgard Road I meet Stupid Cnut no 4, he's pulling out of old Glen Abbey building, waits until I'm practically at the entrance and proceeds to turn left onto road just in front of me, stupid cnut No 4 is browsing his phone....😠

    Got home safely despite the endeavours of 4 stupid cnuts.

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