Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

Those cyclists sound like an angry, ill-informed self-entitled bunch. Bad luck coming across them. Can't see you did much wrong. At those kind of junctions (think also N11 at the Trees Road/ Stillorgan junction) I just abandon any thought of being restricted to the cycle lane and behave instead like a car/ motorbike. In slow moving traffic you're probably going to cause less issues by just taking the lane and filtering accordingly.

As others have said, it's a case of really poor road infrastructure. Tokenism really. Perhaps the anger you encountered is a result of years of those cyclists being roared at to "get in the cycle lane" when very often there's a good reason not to use it. Or perhaps they were just angry asshats. But it should be help up as an example of what happens when you trumpet "25 Gazillion Billion Euro spent on cycling infrastructure" but in reality provide a really poor end product for people to use - it just generates conflict, confusion, fear and anger among the people using the roads.

It shouldn't be that hard to get right.

Edit: as for the banging on your car, that's not on at all. Losing the rag after nearly being taken out by a car is one thing, but nobody has the right to go around banging on other people's property just because they're angry over a perceived infraction. They'd get little sympathy from me if someone got out of their car and gave the bike a welly. There's enough aggro on the roads without that kind of nonsense being added to the pile.

I said should have waited. If they didn't want to wait then they were obligated to filter to the right as the OP had already moved to the left. That is the law.

You agree that the OP was entitled to be there, but still want to find fault that they didn't 'need' to be as left as they were. It was absolutely correct driving, the whole purpose of 'moving to the left' is to assert priority over following traffic, which is not entitled to filter to your inside then.

There is no cycle lane there, just paint on a road indicating that the rules and laws applying to that road are the same as one that hasn't been painted at all. Maybe this needs to be pointed out more rather than faffing about with vague wording and completely stupid 'vision zero' advertising campaigns.

They are not legally allowed to filter on the left when the vehicle has already moved to the left. The OP had already moved there.

Do you agree that the cyclists had no right to tell the OP that they shouldn't be in the non-existent cycle lane?

I've just explained it based on the same law posted.

Can you post a law that entitles following traffic to filter to the left of traffic that has already moved to the left in order to execute a left turn?

The whole point is is that they shouldn't have Seth, squeezing past and banging on the car is not on. Telling the OP they shouldn't be in a painted shared cycle lane is wrong.

We all rightfully lambast a driver who couldn't wait five seconds to accommodate a fellow road user on here, is it any wonder that the cycling forum gets a bad rep when non accommodating cycling gets excused and defended.

The OP asked whether they'd done anything wrong. The answer is no, end of.

Tbh i'd expect more from a mod, you've moved from accusing me of waffling to accusing me downright trolling.

The legislation is right there in your post, remove the reasonable expectation, the vehicle has already moved. If the vehicle is already there then there can be no expectation, reasonable or unreasonable, that it's going to move to the left.

How is the OP right and i'm wrong?

Oh I would agree. There is enough space at that junction to put in advance stop lane, earlier lights for cyclists and a proper separate bike lane, but it won’t happen until bus connects happens.

On a side note, I know there is a lot of money being allocated towards active travel, but I wish they would setup a dedicated team of interested engineers responsible for implementing these plans nationwide, instead of relying on current county councils to do it. It would also be useful if there was a way to highlight problems directly to them, like this junction, so a continuous improvement can happen where needed, instead of waiting for large projects. I guess I can dream!

Leaving aside the fact that the ROTR are not legislation.

You should check for traffic before any manoeuvre. Once you've stopped the manoeuvre is over and a new check should be done before starting the next manoeuvre.

This is sort of happening. There are dedicated teams being recruited in LA's around the country to particularly champion active transport designs. They'll be SME's so to speak. Additionally, any of the engineers are being trained using "experiential visits" to places like Utrecht. It's not exactly what you're describing, but it's a good start.

I find LA engineers now way better educated on cycle infrastructure than 2-3 years ago, in general. It's definitely improving in the two Cork LA's.

I've seen a few morons, usually on mopeds, do the same, even in segregated cycle lanes!

I was cycling through Ranelagh today. A range rover was parked in the cycle lane, outside Dean hotel.

As I passed the car I looked back .. the male driver came out and shouted.. are you OK there?

I decided that I was OK... Male on male aggression right there.

What he doesn't know is.. I could have circled back and sent his teeth down his throat.

As the poster noted above... "male aggression". It's always the same. Yes, you get idiotic female drivers. Plenty of ignorant ones too. Even the odd angry one. But anyone who cycles can attest to the very different experiences you get from male versus female drivers. Gimme ignorance and idiotic over aggressive every day.