How far does an EV really go? On a cold horrible day in winter - several current EVs tested

Just curious looked up the stats about annual mileage of EVs Vs ICE it seems they are more or less the same.

There's a few studies and they all say the same thing more or less.

Depends. In France/Croatia I could drive for 4 hours and only need to stop for border/bladder. Northern Italy/UK I start to feel tired after 3. Germany, I'm exhausted after 2 :)

In terms of running costs the petrol 3 cylinder engine will give 46 mpg (according to HonestJohn) or 5.1 litres per 100km .

If an owner was to do 15,000km in a year @ a cost of €1.70 per litre that would cost €1,300.

The same mileage on my Model 3 cost me just over €300. That is mostly charging at home with a few uses of public chargers but I don't have PV solar panels.

Saving €1,000 (or more) per annum on 'fuel' comparing petrol against electric changes the financial metrics.

wrong mpg, your using US gallons, 46 mpg imperial is 6.27l/100 km, about 300 euro more,

Jeez sorry, I was going from memory, its what my 225xe does on petrol, 45 mpg,

You’d be surprised with the amount of people in Ireland who will spend €50,000 to save €20 per week in fuel costs, or spending €1,000’s more on a particular car to save €200 a year in road tax.

There is a slight flaw in the argument a car/driver only needs to do 400km daily.. if you have a passenger who also drives then it's quite possible you might want to switch over and go further if doing a long journey.

That said saying a 17k Dacia makes more financial sense than a 60k EV is pointless.. buy what you want.. not what you need. I do wonder about what my 2 year old EV will be like in ten years. I'll hopefully change it next year. It's the curse of being an early adopter. You're always chasing something just a little bit better

I find myself agreeing with you more times than not recently, but you or maybe another poster in the bargain thread pointed out that charging by solar is not really free anymore with over 20c fit per unit.

I'll be honest, one of the main factors I got my id3 in 2021 was because we have free charging in work, I also presume a lot more people do too.

We've done 70k on ours now or 23k a year, over 10 years I'd expect to save close to 20k on fuel alone.

I'll take that

Because some providers like Energia have a very cheap nightly rate now that makes charging them cheaper than charging when you could be exporting

One thing that is so stupid is that a desire for say a range of 600km doesn’t mean that the driver wants to or has to do 600km without stopping - my typical drive to Dublin is 320km and I might have to stop en route for a meeting, and then complete the drive to Dublin. I might stay for a few days before returning, but I have no option of charging at my destination so would have to high speed charge twice.

Main issue with that is 1. 70/80 cent per unit cost and 2. Extra time needed to stop and potentially queue etc. Inc time to get off motorway, find a charger and queue and connect is likely to be 30 mins each way. That extra hour is basically an hours labour cost to me - if I do 40 trips a year that a weeks holidays.

I don’t have any bladder or concentration issues that some EV drivers seem to have, so don’t need to stop on what is usually a 3hr/ 3.5hr mostly motorway driving, though in fairness I do often have planned stops - just not at high speed chargers.

Comparison is always made to charging at home in a super cheap 3 hour rate- but nobody ever acknowledges that such low rates are only possible if you subsidise your car charging with super expensive rates for everything else you use during the day. Using solar for free is even worse as it means opportunity cost of selling back to the grid is ignored. Obviously edge cases who have unreal solar and battery storage might charge for free but there are lads with free diesel in work so best ignore them too.

Using my 12 hr night rate of 20 cent, versus diesel of 1.70 and economy of 20 units per 100km versus 5.2 units per 100km and 10% charging losses, I would save about €1100 pa on fuel. Alas add in motorway charging for even 30% of my driving and that drops to less than €500 quid saving.

Service cost and repair cost is the same as I’ll be buying a service pack with any car and trading within 3 years (like most other new car buyers do?)

With likely much higher depreciation buying a nice new EV is an option but one that would cost quite a bit more. With most EV’s drivers doing half my mileage I think it’s clear that most new EV owners but them because they want to, and not for any cost saving. No issue with that, but owners often get defensive for some reason.

Its not an argument. Its based on studies of peoples driving patterns.

I'm not sure what people are going that two of them need to 400km+ daily non stop in the same car. That 100-140k a year.

I explained why. It's an insane amount of driving frequency for any car regardless of fuel or driver.

If you totally get it, then explain it. I can understand doing that journey once maybe twice a week. But daily?

That's more mileage than a taxi. At that kinda of mileage the fuels costs are massive, as is servicing, and depreciation. That will completely negate any journey time issues. Because the job will be driving, you don't have long enough at the destination to do anything before getting back in the car.

So you can't explain it either.

This isn't about life choices this is about giving daft examples that don't make any sense. Misinformation as such.

If someone doesn't want to drive an EV then don't. End of.