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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,289 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,470 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Weirdly it was almost more interesting when we didn't win virtually every match we played.

    That said as a child of the 80s and 90s I say enjoy the good times because you never know what's around the corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Just the hangover of another failure when it mattered!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I'd rather not be a fan boy, leppin up and down yelling " look at us, we beat Wales"

    We're only good when it doesn't really matter. Beating the northern hemispheres teams really doesn't matter. Especially when they all are playing poorly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,803 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    There are some tools around here.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    I'm sure your not , but your post sounds like something a bandwagon supporter would say.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Nice problem though isn't it?

    I get that point. There was something about the absurd upsets of the 90s that were more enjoyable in a perverse way. But I 100% enjoy this more. The downside is that there is a scope for disappointment that just wasn't there in the 90s, and frankly even the 2000s because we expected failure at some point and when it came it was almost a relief we got it out of the way. Now there is real jeopardy because we expect to succeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Not at all. Just tired of the false dawns. It blows. A six nations glosses over the fact that once again we crapped the bed when it matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    ireland beat the reigning world champions on the way to them defending their title and came within a score of beating NZ in the quarters, they hardly sh!t the bed

    the unfortunate truth is that the best overall team rarely wins the rwc, if that were the case then NZ would probably have won every tournament apart from 2003



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,600 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Can't understand the negativity about the team. I'm hoping for a triumphant bounceback season. Perfect Slam, Leinster hopefully getting over the hump in the HC and the prospect of brilliant tour to South Africa to reclaim the Raeburn Shield.

    Post edited by AbusesToilets on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,967 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,362 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Ireland have won just 15 championships in 129 years.

    Until 24 years ago and the arrival of Italy, Ireland were historically the worst and least successful of the northern hemisphere sides. We have been, until relatively recently, a crap rugby nation.

    I will never get tired of seeing Ireland winning championships and will never understand people acting like spoiled brats saying it doesn't matter because we didn't win the World Cup.

    Post edited by Clegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭dublin49


    Well having we come far when posters can feel nonchalant about the achievement of a win over England or a six nation title ,I wont rehearse how it was for us oldies back in the day,but remember golden days come and go,like the demise of the great Liverpool team of 90s or the Dubs back in 70s or Woods abrupt career stall.Anybody blase about the success of the last few years are really offering hostages to fortune ,we live in blessed times,Series win in NZ,multple 6 nations and 2 recent grand slams. My main ambition for 40 years for IRL was a win over the ABs and a Slam,I am losing count now how many times we have beaten NZ and each time is better than the last with 3 Slams for good measure.Maybe us oldies were too starved of success for too long ,but it sure makes it all the sweeter when its our turn,Long may it last.and remember Wales have 4 slams since 2000 ,how would they be feeling if they were in the running for a fifth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭ersatz


    It is funny that there is a mood around that everything is a foregone conclusion with this team. The opposition aren't up to much once France revealed themselves as a farce and Ireland are a machine that's uber efficient with cruel defence and a varied attacking game. I'm not buying it though. England weren't particularly good last year but they were tough enough for us to break down. We lost 3 line outs (maybe more?) against Wales, largely because of Welsh pressure. We are one of the best teams in the world but our scrum is still so so. There are lots of chinks for opposition analysts to get excited about and England always show up for Ireland. I expect us to be too strong for them, our bench is insane etc etc. Still though, this should be the toughest test of the year so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    This England game is a real banana skin. Back to back Slams would be a major achievement. Hasn't been done in the 6N era and not since France in '98, I believe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41



    Ireland expecting Twickenham chaos from England as Andy Farrell handed injury boost

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    Rúaidhrí O'Connor

    March 06 2024 02:30 AM

    Ireland are expecting Steve Borthwick’s England to make things chaotic when they travel to Twickenham on Saturday.

    Andy Farrell will name his team tomorrow and has been handed a boost with Hugo Keenan returning to training yesterday, as Garry Ringrose, Iain Henderson and Oli Jager also took part.

    Ireland’s most physical training session of the week will take place this morning, and if Keenan comes through, then the coach will have a major dilemma as to whether to retain the 6/2 bench split of forwards and backs or revert to a 5/3 to accommodate Ringrose and Ciarán Frawley.

    No 8 Caelan Doris spoke yesterday about the boost that the team get from the arrival of players like Rónan Kelleher, James Ryan, Ryan Baird and Jack Conan.

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    “Just seeing four big specimens coming onto the pitch at the same time, you’re kind of like ‘OK, here we go, here’s another big surge of energy’,” he said.

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    “It’s a fantastic stadium to play in, but you derive a huge amount of energy from the crowd; they’re right there on top of you.

    “England rise to play at home and it’s an incredibly tough place to go and play. Accuracy in every way is important to us as a group.

    “They potentially are thinking we should be in a final of a World Cup and Ireland were out in the quarter-final stage. There’s a lot of power in their side. They won’t be happy with how they’ve gone over the last game or two.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭OldRio




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I suppose some of the "losing interest" in Ireland wins is that we now expect to win but like others have said I come from an era where winning one game in the 5Ns was an achievement, winning a triple crown was orgasmic and winning the Grand Slam was a pipe dream.

    The IRFU were late to professionalism and imho we were lucky with the model they went with, contract players to the 4 natural regions that could grow a fan base and use the 4 regions to field an Irish team. The unwritten rule was probably their best stick to keep players at home. There may be warts in the Irish model but it's certainly paying dividends wrt to national team.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,289 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    if you work on the basis that no system is perfect, then we have the best club system in the world.

    who would have thought in the mid-noughties that the likes of Australia and England would be looking at the irish system with green eyed envy. Even the NZ system is currently creaking at the seams.

    as for those who cannot get any joy from irish wins, or see value in us beating out NH opponents on a continuous basis, i feel sorry for you and you inability to enjoy a golden time in our sport. The miserable times will eventually come back, so youll all be happy then, but until those dark days return im going to enjoy every single second of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    False dawns?

    We lost a game of rugby by a few points. To new Zealand.


    6 nations and AI are what pays the bills every year. A world cup semi final won't. And while it would have been nice to make history, sport is a here and now thing for me and I will enjoy now and not worry about 2027 RWC until then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,643 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    So much bad faith discussion is incredible. It's not as if Dubinusa is some whippersnapper who doesn't remember rugby before Joe Schmidt.

    Whatever happens, this year's 6N will not go down as a classic. Last year's, probably not either. There is, whether people care to admit it or not, a general feeling of 'so what' about the tournament and not just in Ireland.

    It's perfectly normal to enjoy rugby more when there's more at stake, the matches are tight and the outcome goes down to the wire than when the whole thing is a cakewalk. That doesn't make someone miserable, that's just someone who appreciates sport as an exciting competition.

    It's hard to believe it's 9 years since the greatest finish to a 6N I've ever seen. I would much rather watch that than potentially wrap up the tournament with a week to spare. That doesn't mean I hate Ireland, or success, or rugby, or sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,643 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Disagree with that almost in its entirety.

    Over the decades rugby dynasties have risen and fallen, in 5-8 years time we could be in the position of the Welsh or worse , just look at the age profile of our team.

    If you can't enjoy our success now then what's the point. We are getting way above our station if winning a world cup is all we should be getting excited about.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    That's fine. You can enjoy success more than you enjoy rugby or drama but don't make out like people who prefer the latter are wrong or stupid or miserable or spoilt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    But there's a big difference between not enjoying the win as much as a close win. And saying you dont even watch anymore as Ireland always **** the bed when it matters so why even bother.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I feel like we hear "This 6N won't go down as a classic" basically every single year though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭dublin49


    The "This years 6 nations is poor " reminds me of George Hooks modes operandi ," Ireland will be found out today" followed post match by " How was I to know that would be the worst England( insert as desired) team ever to lace boots"



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