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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    If we go 6-2 I'd say it's more likely to be Murray either Murray and Frawley or Murray and Byrne. Either Frawley or Crowley can cover 10, 12 & 15. Keenan can cover cover wing and Bundee covers 13. In a pinch Nash could go to 13 or JGP on a wing.

    Not Ideal but it's as good as it gets with a 6-2



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,832 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If its 6-2 and keenan is fit, i don't see any selection other than Murray / Frawley.


    Farrell has always been in favour of the guy in possession of the jersey. Therefore Aki / Henshaw and Frawley on the bench.

    I absolutely do not see any world in which Nash is dropped for Ringrose on the wing, i think thats off the wall.

    I have a feeling Farrell will go 6/2 with the plan to tire out the English forwards, as they will likely go 5/3 with Care / Smith (or Ford) and IFB on the bench.

    will england be brave enough to go Itoje and Martin in the row, with Chessum at 6 and Roots at 7?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    and if frawley isnt there, probably looking at murray or ringrose to cover 10 which wouldnt be ideal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Yeah, if Keenan comes back in Frawley/Murray seems obvious. Keenan just back from a bad knee injury needs coverage, Crowley becomes your 15 backup but who goes to ten? Bringing Ringrose in perhaps allows Henshaw to cover 15 but then you've no ten cover in the slim chance Crowley gets hurt. That's just not an option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Don't see why Ringrose should walk back in. Henshaw and Frawley have been excellent. Bit it would be very Irish if he does.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    1st time in yonks that I really aren't excited playing England. I probably will watch it. Still haven't watched the match v Wales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I'm hoping for a better performance than the last couple of years. We've let them disrupt us far too much, given how limited they are.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You're not excited by watching the most dominant Irish team in history? Would you rather we were worse?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,832 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,371 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Weirdly it was almost more interesting when we didn't win virtually every match we played.

    That said as a child of the 80s and 90s I say enjoy the good times because you never know what's around the corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Just the hangover of another failure when it mattered!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I'd rather not be a fan boy, leppin up and down yelling " look at us, we beat Wales"

    We're only good when it doesn't really matter. Beating the northern hemispheres teams really doesn't matter. Especially when they all are playing poorly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    There are some tools around here.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    I'm sure your not , but your post sounds like something a bandwagon supporter would say.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Nice problem though isn't it?

    I get that point. There was something about the absurd upsets of the 90s that were more enjoyable in a perverse way. But I 100% enjoy this more. The downside is that there is a scope for disappointment that just wasn't there in the 90s, and frankly even the 2000s because we expected failure at some point and when it came it was almost a relief we got it out of the way. Now there is real jeopardy because we expect to succeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Not at all. Just tired of the false dawns. It blows. A six nations glosses over the fact that once again we crapped the bed when it matters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    ireland beat the reigning world champions on the way to them defending their title and came within a score of beating NZ in the quarters, they hardly sh!t the bed

    the unfortunate truth is that the best overall team rarely wins the rwc, if that were the case then NZ would probably have won every tournament apart from 2003



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Can't understand the negativity about the team. I'm hoping for a triumphant bounceback season. Perfect Slam, Leinster hopefully getting over the hump in the HC and the prospect of brilliant tour to South Africa to reclaim the Raeburn Shield.

    Post edited by AbusesToilets on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Ireland have won just 15 championships in 129 years.

    Until 24 years ago and the arrival of Italy, Ireland were historically the worst and least successful of the northern hemisphere sides. We have been, until relatively recently, a crap rugby nation.

    I will never get tired of seeing Ireland winning championships and will never understand people acting like spoiled brats saying it doesn't matter because we didn't win the World Cup.

    Post edited by Clegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭dublin49


    Well having we come far when posters can feel nonchalant about the achievement of a win over England or a six nation title ,I wont rehearse how it was for us oldies back in the day,but remember golden days come and go,like the demise of the great Liverpool team of 90s or the Dubs back in 70s or Woods abrupt career stall.Anybody blase about the success of the last few years are really offering hostages to fortune ,we live in blessed times,Series win in NZ,multple 6 nations and 2 recent grand slams. My main ambition for 40 years for IRL was a win over the ABs and a Slam,I am losing count now how many times we have beaten NZ and each time is better than the last with 3 Slams for good measure.Maybe us oldies were too starved of success for too long ,but it sure makes it all the sweeter when its our turn,Long may it last.and remember Wales have 4 slams since 2000 ,how would they be feeling if they were in the running for a fifth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    It is funny that there is a mood around that everything is a foregone conclusion with this team. The opposition aren't up to much once France revealed themselves as a farce and Ireland are a machine that's uber efficient with cruel defence and a varied attacking game. I'm not buying it though. England weren't particularly good last year but they were tough enough for us to break down. We lost 3 line outs (maybe more?) against Wales, largely because of Welsh pressure. We are one of the best teams in the world but our scrum is still so so. There are lots of chinks for opposition analysts to get excited about and England always show up for Ireland. I expect us to be too strong for them, our bench is insane etc etc. Still though, this should be the toughest test of the year so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    This England game is a real banana skin. Back to back Slams would be a major achievement. Hasn't been done in the 6N era and not since France in '98, I believe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41



    Ireland expecting Twickenham chaos from England as Andy Farrell handed injury boost

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    Rúaidhrí O'Connor

    March 06 2024 02:30 AM

    Ireland are expecting Steve Borthwick’s England to make things chaotic when they travel to Twickenham on Saturday.

    Andy Farrell will name his team tomorrow and has been handed a boost with Hugo Keenan returning to training yesterday, as Garry Ringrose, Iain Henderson and Oli Jager also took part.

    Ireland’s most physical training session of the week will take place this morning, and if Keenan comes through, then the coach will have a major dilemma as to whether to retain the 6/2 bench split of forwards and backs or revert to a 5/3 to accommodate Ringrose and Ciarán Frawley.

    No 8 Caelan Doris spoke yesterday about the boost that the team get from the arrival of players like Rónan Kelleher, James Ryan, Ryan Baird and Jack Conan.

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    “Just seeing four big specimens coming onto the pitch at the same time, you’re kind of like ‘OK, here we go, here’s another big surge of energy’,” he said.

    “It gives you a little lift. It is nice, for the guys coming off, they know that they can give it all for 50-60 minutes, and they’ve got quality coming on. For the guys staying on, you get a lift from them coming on as well.”

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    Scrum coach John Fogarty says Ireland are expecting to be put to the pin of their collars in London, meaning they’ll need to stick to their plans.

    “A lot of noise can happen from England, it’s not being derailed mentally by the chaos of Twickenham,” Fogarty said.

    “It’s a fantastic stadium to play in, but you derive a huge amount of energy from the crowd; they’re right there on top of you.

    “England rise to play at home and it’s an incredibly tough place to go and play. Accuracy in every way is important to us as a group.

    “They potentially are thinking we should be in a final of a World Cup and Ireland were out in the quarter-final stage. There’s a lot of power in their side. They won’t be happy with how they’ve gone over the last game or two.

    “We are conscious of them delivering a lot of energy, but we’re more focused on us delivering our energy, our mentality, being able to impose our game on them.”

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,356 ✭✭✭OldRio




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,224 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I suppose some of the "losing interest" in Ireland wins is that we now expect to win but like others have said I come from an era where winning one game in the 5Ns was an achievement, winning a triple crown was orgasmic and winning the Grand Slam was a pipe dream.

    The IRFU were late to professionalism and imho we were lucky with the model they went with, contract players to the 4 natural regions that could grow a fan base and use the 4 regions to field an Irish team. The unwritten rule was probably their best stick to keep players at home. There may be warts in the Irish model but it's certainly paying dividends wrt to national team.



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