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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    He comes across as an intelligent man to me. Referring to people as "college drop outs" reflects badly on you and it is no sign of intelligence whether someone did or did not attend or complete college. Would you refer to the Minister for Higher Education, Simon Harris, as a first year college drop out?



  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fair points, what do you think of Doherty claiming to have educational qualifications he hadn’t achieved?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Compare Doherty to Michael McGrath, not Harris.

    Game over then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Bertie Aherne used to do similar - claimed to be an accountant when he was a book keeper.

    Inflation of qualifications is very common. Personally know a fella who calls himself an architect but he's an architectural technician. And another who calls themselves a physiotherapist but is a physical therapist.



  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wouldn’t have any of those as minister for finance either.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    I'm not an SF supporter by any stretch of the imagination, be it does not matter in the slightest, if fact it could be a great advantage, since ignorance might ensure he won't want to go "fixing things" or overruling civil servants who actually know what they are doing. The last thing the economy needs is a politician lacking in actual financial experience with a degree in commerce, finance or economics thinking he knows what he is doing.



  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don’t get the sense that PD thinks he is Ignorant on financial matters, I would argue that it is more dangerous to put an ignorant person who thinks he is knowledgable, in a position where his decisions could have significant detrimental effects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,081 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    SF are more interested in catering to the whims of every class of outsider migrant who rocks up to Dublin airport than actually looking after the Irish.

    Hopefully more and more ppl cotton on to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I personally know 3 people who either dropped out of college and one who never went who were millionaires in their 40s and started with nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Michael McGrath is harmless ffs. He is a councillor level operator who got a break.


    Nothing against the man personally but he isn't a heavyweight politically, just that he stands out in FF and in a Dáil where talent is remarkably rare.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    A few but they live normal lives and do well enough I guess.


    It was just a point about the absurdity of college drop outs etc as if it was relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Paul Keating is one of the great Australian Treasurers and Prime Ministers and left school at 14.

    That said, those were different times. He went straight into a clerking job and went about education in other ways, rising quickly up the ranks.

    I am a bit more dubious of modern politicians who grew up in the “free” (or certainly very cheap) era of education & repeatedly dropped out in their 20s. It’s a sign of very poor personal discipline. I can appreciate the “finding yourself” schtick but if it’s the same thing (basically) it just strikes you down as lazy. I’d personally prefer someone who didn’t bother with college but grafted early on and runs a business, someone who therefore “gets it”.

    There is a discipline in keeping with politics though. I wouldn’t have Harris or Doherty in a Finance ministry but they are capable politicians with a decade plus to evidence that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭spillit67


    He’s not Taoiseach material but is very well suited to Finance and Public Expenditure as a Chartered Accountant and his approach.

    He is very good at talking to business, civil servants and international politicians which is part and parcel of the role.

    The general perception of people I know in various industry bodies is that they find O’Broin far more convincing than Doherty. O’Broin is actually far more radical though when you strip away the shouty shouty approach of Doherty, ironically enough.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Compare the calm and controlled Michael McGrath or Paschal Donohoe to shouty and angry Pearse Doherty. McGrath and Donohoe are far more competent Ministers for Finance than Doherty ever would be. Not a chance Doherty would be elected president of the Eurogroup or have his name touted as the Head of the IMF.

    This is a man who doesn't even know that there is no VAT charged on milk ffs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    I don't believe SF will make things any better or worse should they lead the next government, they are no longer any sort of radicals

    Big money certainly isn't concerned about the likelihood of a SF led government and those guys have a pretty good nose for political disruption



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Interesting if people could put together a competent full cabinet of SF TDs? O'Brion is probably the best, but he has also been caught out on the housing issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The downturn in their support seems to have coincided with people beginning to realise they want free for all immigration and therefore are no different than all other major parties.

    You'd think a party who's name means "ourselves alone" would live up to that name and be opposed to free for all immigration and have some sort of plan to control it and control our population .You'd think the party that has traditionally been nationalistic would put Irish people's concerns and only Irish people's concerns at the top of their list of priorities. However they've just proven to be every bit as untrustworthy as FF/FG and quite happy to do what the EU and other international bodies and NGO's want from them so why vote for a new party for government when they are basically the same as the shower we have already.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Calling Eoin O'Broin competent sums up how woeful SF are as a party.

    In what way do you see him as competent? When he debated Darragh O'Brien on RTE a couple of years ago he got soundly beaten (in my opinion)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,142 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    O Broin was on Newstalk getting a soft soap interview recently, talking about his band and their performances in 1988.

    When you're trying to promote your party as the fresh new thing, you absolutely do not go and remind people that you were already old enough to consider record deals three and a half decades ago.

    There was a specific reference to supporting Rory Gallagher, who is well known to have passed away young nearly 30 years ago

    What seemed like a cool young lineup in 2016 or even 2020 is now old men and women.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    The only ones touting Donohoe to be Head of the IMF are the Irish media. No one else is doing it. Same as ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,973 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    You'd think a party who's name means "ourselves alone" would live up to that name and be opposed to free for all immigration and have some sort of plan to control it and control our population .

    Only someone who pretty much nothing about 21st-century SF beyond their name would think that. They have had a consistent immigrant/refugee-friendly line for over 20 years.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭tom23


    They haven’t a chance of getting into government with that ideology .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,665 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Yes as the opposition they are more pro than even the current government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Yes, but I think alot of people only realized it now.

    I think they assumed with them being a nationalist party that that being more nationalistic would be their position when it comes to immigration.

    Immigration is only really become a big election issue in recent times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    He comes across as one of the stupidest politicians to me. Doesn't have a handle for his brief.

    He is great on the soundbites though, if people want to fall for that sort of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,973 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I don't know is that true any more

    To me their approach to immigration issues is reminiscent of how they handled covid: some of their criticisms of government policy are from the left and some from the right but in the round they end up in roughly the same place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Mary Lou McD's speech in the USA last weekend reminds me of someone who should resign soon.

    In her SF fund raising speech there, she proved she only cared about one thing in Ireland, and that SF was a single issue party. She may say her speech was not fund-raising, but I'm sure here party does not refuse cheques all the same. Last year SF raised over a million euro from the USA. ..from gullible Americans some would say.

    As part of her long rant about a U.I., she laid in to the British government, saying things like "Tory governments in London never cared for the people of the north of Ireland".

    Sorry Mary Lou, what else could the Conservative government in the UK to help Ireland more than it has already, this past few decades? She forgets how many billions does the British government put in to N. Ireland every year? 100 billion over 15 or 20 years? How they (along with IMF and EU) helped bail out the country here just over a decade ago, to keep our lights on. How we call up their jets to intercept Russian planes over our west coast, because we have no military radar or jets of our own? And all the Irish people who have got good jobs in Britain. And how after the UK people told the government their they wanted Brexit, the Tory govt put a border within the UK, somewhat damaging their own union, rather than around the UK as a whole. How could the Tory government have done more for Ireland and n. Ireland this past few decades? The mind boggles. And still Mary Lou McD goes to America, and bad mouths the Tory government over there.

    And in the same speech Mary Lou goes on to praise and glorify Rita O'Heir, who served a sentence in prison here in the Republic for IRA explosives etc. You could not make it up. Some Republicans just cannot help themselves.

    Does Mary Lou McD write the speeches herself or are this scripted for her in Belfast, I wonder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    There are so many things I could say about the speech, how wrong much of it was, but I guess I should be doing other things this afternoon.



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