Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Would love to know why my post was deleted on the sly.

I stated that we should not be accepting refugees from outside of Europe, giving the example of people from Africa coming here and to Europe when they should be going to other African countries nearby.

Yes, we should not be accepting these people who are so removed from us culturally and educationally that they will never offer anything to our society apart from taking a few more euro from your pocket.

I did not receive any warning or contact as to why my post was deleted, so the only reason I can think of is that it didn't break any rules but someone didn't like it so decided hey ho I'll remove it anyway.

How do they board an aircraft using a passport be it fake or real .

So you want to talk about people who turn up at airports with no documents and ignore the fact that most of these people are seeking asylum?

After that it seems you want these people sent back to the country of their flights origin, despite that country having no obligation to take them?

In practice a very small minority of people do go back on return flights, presumably where they agree to do so.

Expecting the airlines to deal with everyone else is not without consequences.

We could do as the US does and have rigorous pre-clearance checks to try ensure asylum seekers don't attempt to enter via airports.

How that would work with the CTA and EU I've no idea, I'd also imagine it would add significantly to the cost of flights.

Will it do anything to lesson the numbers arriving here? I doubt it very much considering people can just walk across the border up North, or be trafficked in by ferry.

Another pull factor to seek asylum if he is listened to . This minister does not even mention if their claims are genuine. Bring in more to build houses and then more again !

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41344643.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Hmmm... there could be something in that @MegamanBoo

Presumably we'll have to pay the UK for this service.

I wonder what they'll charge us, considering their Rwanda plan is currently coming in at £2 million, plus a yearly fee, per Asylum Seeker. And they haven't actually managed to deport anyone yet.

That’s mad Leo…if only there was someone in a position to…actually do something about this???

WTF is going on, genuinely, how the hell are they allowing this to continue

Who doesn't want controlled immigration though?

I don't know how many times we have to be treated to yet another "I just want controlled migration" as if this were some amazing revolutionary concept that is entirely at odds with some faceless majority of the so-called left who appear to want immigration to be entirely uncontrolled. It's a nonsense narrative where you're shaking your fist at phantoms.

Pretty much everyone wants controlled migration, your objection is that some have different views over the extent to and the means by which that control is exercised.

So we get it — you are absolutely not a racist and all you want is controlled migration. That's great. But maybe you also need to de-escalate your views of the "other side" as being advocates of uncontrolled migration — wouldn't that be fair?

Reduce money from overseas aid budget for any country not accepting back asylum seekers. Should also make it harder for legal migration from any country refusing to take back citizens.

Failing that, make it clear to the asylum seeker that they'll get nothing in Ireland and pull funding from any group aiding illegal asylum seekers.

I think what will happen eventually is that passenger air/sea travel will become more intergrated and passengers will become a line on a manifest, similar to US border control.

People wont be able to travel to first world countries without their ID and country of origin beind identified and established, pre-departure.

Shared database reconciles all passenger travel and country of origin declaration is pre-requisite to boarding at ports.

If anyone loses passport details they can then still be returned to country of origin.

Its not something I hope to see, but I expect it will happen.

Well if they are already deported and on the system they have zero chance of being accepted for asylum again .They could stay but without any benefits

. There is only a small number that the home country won't assist cut accommodation and welfare .They should also cut the aid to that country

Hopefully it won't come to that.

In the US where they've introduced stricter controls, there's been a number of side-effects.

The number of visa overstays has increased dramatically, https://cis.org/Vaughan/DHS-Reports-Record-Number-Overstays-2022

The number of unauthorized immigrants overall in the country increased, as people stay longer if it's harder to get back in. And people turn to traffickers where other paths are restricted, https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/publications/BadActors-Hansen-PapademetriouFINALWEB.pdf The problem with people turning to traffickers, aside from the individual suffering, is that people can end up being forced to work for crime gangs to pay off trafficking debt.

Id be going as far as providing them no assistance or money, doing immigration checks on companies that could have them working for them (Deliveroo etc), and making it clear to any of the charities and NGOs that state funding is pulled if they're helping people residing illegally in the country. You make them feel as unwelcome in the country as possible and they'll hopefully feck off.

As for the country, they boarded the plane with a passport and they're claiming they're from a country anyway. Whatever those countries are who funding gets pulled from unless they accept them back.

Yes, as I outlined, I think that is the way it will go in time.

Your plan then is to drive desperate people towards crime and a shadow labor market. We're the second richest country in the world on paper, people are still going to come here.

As for reducing aid, the EU has been trying this for 20 years. It hasn't worked to any great effect. Why would it work for us, and especially when we only think the person is from that country?