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Dairy Calves 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭Farm365


    Smug is expecting a beef farmer to cover your costs. When an animal is brought to the factory can a beef farmer detail the costs and expect the factory to cover them? In a bad milk price year processors don’t care if the price is below the COP you take the price your given based on supply and demand. Unfortunately the supply of calves far outweighs the demand. Beef farmers have had enough of rearing poorly bred calves with rising costs and making a loss year after year and trying to live off the SFP. Beef farmers have more options now but ultimately these calves have to go somewhere and if live exports go it could collapse the price of beef with a glut of supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    They're coming from 50/50 Ho/Br Friesian, calf sired by Irish high ebi (NZ background) proven.

    Calving is a doddle, but were loosing size.

    Knew we were in for a beating today, but had to make space where this group were camped. (Still couldn't possibly pay to invest in infrastructure to carry these for any appreciable time in any case)

    One more group to go, and we can be more flexible after that about when and where we offload.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,175 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If I am right they are completely black calves. They need to go to thirty months for finish. Grading usually O-/=, I only every had them from stores but they were OK I say they were off HO. Fierce long cattle had one about 5 years ago kill over 400kgs at just under 36 months.

    If the lad that buy them carry them to finish there is a twist off them. I like to see any off a decent square BF or HO cow

    Edit: I think there is bluey grey ones as well. One nearly got me in a field 10-12 years ago. Cowardly ba***rd, he used to dance in front of me ,I would hit him a swipe of the stick and go back 10 steps facing him. He come back at me so I hit him a swipe again. It took me 6-8 goes to get to the ditch.

    He did not seem to be a rig no neck no stone.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭mf240


    Screenshot_20240302-152316_DoneDeal.jpg

    Unique selling point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Good prices for the BS, I saw a few selling that didn't make that kind of money.

    In my experience they'd average about 9l/day on an ad lib feeder over the 3 weeks, but they do put on the weight so as Ginger said, it works out the same, except with less time and labour.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭straight


    I got tired of giving away calves last year. Hence, I have a few here as yearlings now and I might take them to the mart shortly enough. I wonder what are they worth.

    Fr bulls about 300 kg,

    Aa bulls about 280kg,

    Aa heifers about 250kg.

    Just eyeballing the weights like. They are nice and fleshy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Currently I’d say 575, 775, 700 and you’d be going well, price of cattle gone well back last few weeks, if you can hold onto them for a bit longer and the weather turns some bit in the coming weeks there will be farmers out then looking to buy you’re at a hiding to nothing going to the mart at the moment very little farmers out understandably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭straight


    Ya, they're giving me no trouble where they are at the moment anyway. I was only getting 5 euro for them 12 months ago so I can't lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,819 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I was looking at Cahir, Carrigallen and Tipperary town marts over the last few days and there is great value in good quality square FR bull calves. I saw lots of them sold c. 20 days old for €20 to €30. There has to be a rational for buying them to make a bullock rather than an Angus or BWH costing €250 to €350 if your keeping them either finish or forward stores.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller


    That's €2.75/kg for the Angus there. I don't see it getting much better than that even if the weather turns.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Murang


    I see hex 305kg making 900 yesterday in Macroom bullocks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller


    €2.95/kg. Not long ago only u grade cattle made that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I was in Thurles last Monday and I saw some great fresians selling, 338 kgs made €820, 334kgs €800,270kgs €650, all bullocks, but Thurles is a good place to sell fresians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭morphy87


    275 kgs Angus made €840 in Thurles last Monday which is which is 3.05 a kilo, savage money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭mf240


    They would be way better value than the "free " calves.

    Possibly 200 or more kg liveweight heavier when mature and with a good grading good enough to get qa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,819 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    They are better value and will make better carcass weights than AAx, HEx, BBx, SPx and whatever other breed you can throw into the mix outta JEx and Kiwi FR dams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Exactly you can pick holes in the value I mentioned but you’ve a years work out in them and if they’re well done that’s the least you should be expecting. Have 60/70 weanlings here will probably sell a shot of them in the next 6 weeks and finish the remainder nitrates might put a finish to that in the next 2 years. Nice to get a twist out of them when you have the grass to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,677 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Anyone else having calves coming large this year?

    Lots of big AA coming through this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Have only had sheep here for last number of years. One of my sons is mad to get a few calves to rear. Have a lad in the gaa club who has AA heifer calves. He would be sound. But what would be a fair price for them 3 week old . I’m out of the loop on calf prices .

    Also how long does it take to reactivate the herd number or the fact that I have the sheep will that do with dept?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Watched some of Carnew and Cahir on Friday when getting something to eat and Jex, Frx butter box calves were hard to get a bid and is showing a change this year with lads not interested in them or the cross on the Jex dam.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    You will need to apply to the dept to reactivate the herd no, same as a new applicant, with an inspection to check for a crush and somewhere to house a sick animal, it will take 4 weeks minimum, I did it last year



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Check the IFJ - they have prices for different breeds and ages every week. Use that as a rough ball-park figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Ah I know but prefer to see what people are paying or actually getting. The ifj never refused ink. Every week all stock is always up. A €10 on the previous week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Boats must of been pulled next few days ….v poor trade for Fr bulls in Portumna this evening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Looking at it, prices are poor,kilmallock was meant to be similar today, what type of fresians would portumna usually get? British or cross breeds



  • Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bandon a good trade for calves today, a farmer landed and bought 150 fr bull calves 61kg for €110. The shippers fell out between themselves too for a good chunk.

    A friend had 20 sweet little polly heifers standing €102.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    What’s the story with calf slaughtering have been told by a few in the past week 8 week rule has been backtracked on none said it was scrapped but has it been reduced? Won’t do much to change public perspective of dairy if it has been backtracked on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    You can send young calves there this year as long as you go to confession later in the year and agree to mend your ways and go on probation for a term.....but you'll get by this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Collections supposedly starting this week down our way was what I was told but I was under the impression that had been put a stop to so that answers that.



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