Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I've repeated this a few times, so I'll say it once more as I don't want to repeat this to other posters.

Armed resistance and violence are NOT making the lives of the average Palestinians better. I think we can all agree that the clusterfuck in Gaza is proof of this. It's self-evident.

Palestitnians need to forget Jihad and stop supporting groups like Hamas. That would be a good first step.

They need to elect better less corrupt leaders.

They need to realise that the Arab world is losing patience with their 'poor us' mentally.

They need to cut a deal that offers a future for their children.

They also need to compromise, a lot.

They need to stop teaching hate against their Jewish neighbours in schools.

Now if you want a detailed 100-page white paper, sorry, you are not going to get this from me, but I think all the points above are reasonable places to start.

There have been many many instances around the world and throughout history where non-violent struggle worked in changing the world. MLK, Mandela, Gandhi to name a few. I know some of the contrarian types do a 'whatabout this riot..' here as well, but for the most part, those movements were successful in achieving outcomes and they didn't necessitate blowing yourself up on a bus or slaughtering women and kids on farms.

Now, I know there will be loads of 'whatabout' Israel in response to this post, but the fundamental difference is, that Israel is winning this decades-old conflict. I don't absolve them of everything. I stated before that the settlements in the West Bank are a problem, they are unwise and a blocker to peace.

However, something radical needs to shift in the minds of the Palestinians, as we will be talking about this conflict for another 75 years unless it changes.

When you say

"They need to cut a deal that offers a future for their children.

They also need to compromise, a lot."

What deals can they cut? What compromises should they make?

Should they not resist when israeli settlers throw another family out of their home?

Should they not resist when their children are snatched off the street, raped, tortured, held for months in military prisons?

Should they not resist when they're told they can't go to work.or school this week because someone has decided Palestinians can't go through that gate or down that road?

You talk about compromise yet never mention any israeli compromise, to you it's always "to the Victor goes the spoils of war" but you also have to remember that Palestinians don't have an army/air force so rockets and suicide bombing is all they have, you and I will never understand that mentality because we've never lived their life but if they are willing to do that how can you stop them?

You also said

"slaughtering women and kids on farms."

I'm sure you can now point me to to your posts ccondemning israeli settlers for doing exactly this for decades all under the watchful eye and indeed the protection of the IDF and israeli government.

You keep coming in and saying Palestinians have to change, Palestinian have to make concessions, Palestinians have to accept decades more apartheid and yet you never expect Israel to to do one thing.

Remember kids

When posters tell you Palestinians need to change or they should just accept their lot in life here's a former israeli soldier explaining what the average day is like for a Palestinian who is just trying to go about thier day.

Would love any of them to let us know how much of this they would put up with, would they be happy to watch their parents, partners, children etc go through this every day?

I said my piece, but you responded with 'whatabout' Israel as expected.

You don't see any responsibility on behalf of Palestinians to change.

They are losing, yet you want the winners to change tact and strategy.

Life and the world ain't like that, unfortunately.

So you're saying Palestinians should just accept living under Apartheid for the rest of thier lives as Israel slowly steals their land from them.

No, that is not what I am saying at all.

You haven't suggested anything, BDS was suggested but BDS has been going on how many years. You say trying the same thing over and over is pointless then point to something that isn't working and is becoming illegal because of the Israeli lobbying of governments.

I posted a video of a former israeli soldier a few post back, did you watch it?

How long would you live like that before you fought back? How long would you watch your parents, partner, children, sibling be treated like that? Would you just accept that thisnis your life from now on?

If i was Palestinian, if I watched my family murdered by settlers, if was living under the despicable apartheid regime that they live under then yes, I would probably go down the violence road myself.

If Ireland was invaded tomorrow, the population moved to Leitrim and you lived under the same apartheid regime the Palestinians have had to, would you rise and fight or would you stand at the wall singing Kumbaya while settlers took pot shots at your family?

So, what is your suggestion?

Netanyahu is not 'facing Sinwar down', he's sanctioning the slaughter of 30,000 innocents, is starving over a million people, destroying their homes and hospitals and he intends to replace them with Jewish settlers who will act violently and with impunity against Gazan citizens. All to stay in power so he doesn't have to face corruption charges.

You make him out to be a super-hero when he's little more than a power-hungry, psychopathic grifter.

No, that's exactly what you are saying.

Seriously?

Palestinians have been systematically oppressed for generations and you think that they should change their ways and start renouncing violence and voting for someone like Gandhi or MLK? A territory of 2 million people kept stateless and starved of resources by Israel in effectively the biggest open air prison in the world and you think you know their choices better than they do? You know what 'the world and life' is like for the Palestinians? I'd safely bet you don't, and until you do you might be a bit more careful with your projections because they do you no justice.

As for the losers, well violence is a funny thing. It's the perpetrators of violence who end up being the biggest losers and Israel is losing credibility by the day as well Hamas know. The only sensible end-game for everyone here is a return to the two-state solution and that will be a big loss for Bibi and his jackbooted buddies.

That wasn't the question I asked was it?

Kumbaya or fight?