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  • #106172
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825833#Comment_121825833

    it seems they have only 125 of them, which would leave them short if they did



  • #106173
    RedXIV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,522 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825037#Comment_121825037

    June 2024 for the elections folks! only 4 more months of these lunatics if we all go out and vote!



  • #106174
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821884#Comment_121821884

    why has marcon gone from pro putin to this



  • #106175
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826354#Comment_121826354

    I think he was leaving the door open for Putin to reconsider but now knows that he never will..



  • #106176
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,892 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121824757#Comment_121824757

    Well, that was eloquent..

    That said, I really wouldn’t rule out anything with him. If we agree he is somewhat… self-centered and attention seeking, can you imagine the temptation he might have to simply tell the Army to boot Russia out of Ukraine? He’d have Trump Square in Kiev with a massive statue, that military parade in DC that he wanted, tanks and all (we had one after 1991), he would have taken action that nobody in Europe had the courage to take and be the savior of Europe, and so on and so forth.

    Whatever way he goes, I don’t think “in moderation” is going to be an appropriate adjective. It doesn’t seem to be his style.

    FWIW, I believe Macron spoke truth. OK, the Netherlands is throwing 100mn Euro at Ukraine. Unfortunately, a $100 Euro Bill lacks terminal effect when fired from a howitzer. If the shells aren’t there to be bought with the money, it’s not of particular help. It’s not money which will stop Russia, it is weapons and ammunition If, due to a lack of weapons and ammunition, Ukraine ultimately falls. Europe will be left with a successful, belligerent and confident Russia on their border (And an insane amount of refugees). So far, Europe is hedging its bets. It is trying to avoid this outcome without using its own military forces. If this Plan A fails, plan B is to do it themselves. Or accept that resurgent Russia on their border with a bit of breathing space to recover and rearm, which seems a poor proposal.



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  • #106177
    highpitcheric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826354#Comment_121826354

    yep. "pro putin". ffs. 🙄

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • #106178
    IdHidden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826354#Comment_121826354

    As was said because he thought Putin might reconsider. And maybe because he has intelligence of Russian intentions if they win.



  • #106179
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825037#Comment_121825037

    Certain sections of the left in this country have been getting away with being supportive of Russia for too long.

    Whether it's this vote, the letter from Sabine Higgins from "Dublin 8" or anti-NATO idiots turning up to a pro-Ukrainian rally in Dublin at the start of the war.

    Hopefully this behaviour is remembered at the ballot box in the future.



  • #106180
    aidanodr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Abandon all hope ye who come this way. Europe / we need to absolutely disconnect from USA, sooner the better.

    Listen to this, if you can, yes believe your ears. Putins job is done, he has the USA firmly in his grasp, it is lost to us. The brainwashing is complete. Its classic case of

    https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/trump-voters-tell-nbc-reporter-that-russia-is-not-our-enemy-205044805866

    How do you feel after listening to that?



  • #106181
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Macron wants nato to look to france instead of the US,

    Up to now every country in Nato looked to the US as their reliable backstop,

    Germany hasn't really gor a military,or the demographic to be of much use , and eastern europe is too close to the action ,

    If europe were to put boots on the ground in ukraine, i assume Russia would retaliate, and while russia are short on ballistic missiles theyre not out , and shahed style drones could hit transport hubs in poland

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • #106182
    ColemanY2K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826584#Comment_121826584

    Shahed drones wouldn't get anywhere near their targets were they to try and hit Poland. For a start the Poles have an integrated air defence that includes two Patriot batteries which will soon increase to eight and a pretty modern air force.

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  • #106183
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826584#Comment_121826584

    Officials have rushed to clarify Macron's over the top statement that NATO would get involved. There is no interest in getting involved .I know it's hard for the war cheerleaders .

    The only way is a negotiation on peace there .

    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/macrons-ukraine-troop-talk-shakes-up-nato-allies&ved=2ahUKEwji7bSdwc2EAxVsyDgGHUmqDh8QFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xDY5F5516X2BoTRv5_y7e



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  • #106185
    Deub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Deub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826666#Comment_121826666

    The only way is a negotiation on peace there .

    Which we all know, is not an option since Russia doesn’t respect any treaties and break them when they want. What is there to negotiate then.



  • #106186
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826426#Comment_121826426

    Putin is in his 70's, at his age he will be looking to go out with a legacy and enjoy some sort of a peace dividend at home. Its going to take Russia several years to rebuilt their newly acquired lands. After that they be facing the same sh1tty demographics as Europe is, the last thing Russia needs is more land and maintaining a overly large army of otherwise scarce workers.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #106187
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826735#Comment_121826735

    This poster is in the refugee thread praying for a Trump win cause they think he will stop the war and Putin will go home and we won’t have anymore Ukrainian refugees coming here.



  • #106188
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Field east


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825673#Comment_121825673

    Are there not a lot of precidences where opposites who have a common objective - neutralising Putin- ‘come together’ to achieve same and then sort out their differences ‘to the best of their ability ‘ afterwards.?



  • #106189
    randomuser02125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭randomuser02125


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826861#Comment_121826861

    They're always in the refugee thread



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  • #106191
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826426#Comment_121826426

    Nah, he knows how money gets to his family and that is what he cares about. Plus Trump needs a successful strongman in the world to show it is a model that can be used for the US. A strong Europe is far more annoying for him. Everything from him so far has been deferential to Russia, little reason to believe he would change.


    Agreed. Europe has tried to hedge for too long. If Russia believed it wouldn't be allowed go further it would retreat. The main reason it has not gone after Finland for joining or trying to join Nato is because it knows there would be an immediate response from Europe and the US that is far far stronger.



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  • #106192
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826970#Comment_121826970

    I wonder sometimes is there a psychological hangover among the current generation of European leaders about Ukraine being Russian territory. I remember when Chernobyl happened. It was a “nuclear explosion in Russia/soviet Union”. For the formative years of most of the current leaders in power in Europe Ukraine was deep Soviet territory far beyond the Iron curtain. Do they really deep down believe they should be sending troops there?? And Putin really tries to exploit that uncertainty.

    When I was 17 or 18 years of age I had never heard of Lithuania , Latvia or Estonia. Lithuania suddenly appeared in the same qualification group as Ireland after the 94 World Cup. That was the first time I became aware of its existence.

    where as my grandfather 50/60 years previously would have heard of those countries.

    There was no internet / Wikipedia back then. I was oblivious like most of my circle and many others.

    Most of the current leaders in power in Western Europe would have had their formative years in the same period of ignorance of imprisoned countries of the Soviet Union. Unless they were history buffs.



  • #106193
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,543 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825378#Comment_121825378

    Getting doddery?!

    Trump has always been an idiot. He inherited a fortune, squandered it on cocaine, sex workers, mail order brides and bad investments (which were often illegal) and accidentally found himself in the White House because the American political, taxation and education systems are fundamentally broken.

    He's an odious cretin who could have lived a life of luxury if he'd just lived off the interest on his inheritance. His ego wouldn't allow him to do that so instead he's become the most infamous conman of the 21st century.



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  • #106195
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,543 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825744#Comment_121825744

    Well, the "House of Terror" museum in Budapest which commemorates the brutal occupation of Hungary by the Soviet Union (or "Russia" as most would have referred to it then) did just commemorate the 22nd anniversary of it's opening by being lit up in the Hungarian flag all last week (and the people of Budapest took to the streets for the second time in a month to protest Orban's regime) so in all likelihood he's just trying to play to his domestic support base here...



  • #106196
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Field east


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825802#Comment_121825802

    Plus make sanctions even more effective. I’d say that there are some big loopholes being exploited

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121825810#Comment_121825810

    I assume that ORBAN had to put the motion re Sweden joining NATO to a vote. I think that it was passed by a large majority - 80%+ I think. That figure must have shocked him re his popularity / lack of same in the parliment



  • #106197
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Field east


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121826354#Comment_121826354

    IMO Macron was never pro Putin



  • #106198
    Apiarist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,751 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827230#Comment_121827230

    What I think is happening is Macron trying, quite successfully, to appear as a resolute leader. His fruitless conversations with Putin made him look weak. Letting everyone know that the possibility of sending NATO troops was discussed in Paris sends a signal to Putin that the gloves may come off. It is still very much a political trick, not a military decision.



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  • #106200
    zv2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭zv2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827258#Comment_121827258

    No doubt Macron's statement was carefully thought out among NATO leaders before he said it. What you see in the public domain is just window dressing. I have no idea of the purpose of it but it is not an off-the-cuff remark.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • #106201
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭seenitall


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827585#Comment_121827585

    It probably has something to do with the oscillations and vacillations in the US? Maybe sending a message to Putin that the US Congress etc. being in a heap over support to Ukraine right now doesn’t mean that the EU gives up - on the contrary in fact, some countries could be looking to widen their options on the support they make available. Something like that. (If it’s with that in mind, I would especially expect it from Macron, more than anyone. He really likes to “project” and do the whole power balance to AUKUS thing, doesn’t he? Plus I think Scholz said that there was no mention in Paris of the troops on the ground.)

    Actually, thinking on it, I believe this was a solo run-of-the-mouth by Macron.



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