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March 8th - What’s your vote? **Mod Note In Post #677**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭ThePentagon


    Voting NO for both

    Leaning towards voting No mainly because if I'm unsure about the implications of a referendum I vote for the status quo. Still time to change my mind though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Voting NO for both

    I want you to refute to us the "rambling nonsense" of Micheal McDowell. Clearly you know better than him.

    You have already said that people voting no have not read or understand the proposed changes to the constitution - again clearly we all below your level of understanding.

    This is now my 4th time of asking - justify your comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Voting NO for both

    Almost as bad as all the people voting yes as that is what the governments wants them to do, no questions asked.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Voting NO for both

    Anything that suggests the idea of giving the government and/or courts more power over us should always necessitate a big fat "NO"

    Even if purely ceremonial, the government are clearly using the constitution as political fodder. Just wait for the next election, if it gets passed it will be thier prize pig in all the debates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    Voting YES for both

    The demographics have probably changed a bit over the last decade. Older, angrier and more conservative. If those referendums were happening now, the results of any poll on here would probably be skewed towards the 'No' side.

    I'm a very soft 'Yes' voter. Whatever the result, it won't be the end of the world.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Voting NO for both

    I'm not going to spend the next hour typing out definitions for common words/phrases - it is glaringly obvious the game you are trying to play 😉

    You seem to struggle to understand what is a very basic idea, it cannot really be that hard for you - if you do not know what morality is you can look it up. (perhaps you should as you are obviously struggling with this as well) You will understand 98% of the context in which it can be used. This is not possible for "durable relationship" - once again, this is nothing but a place holder. You expect people to vote for something that currently has absolutely no meaning.

    Comical is nice word to use, not only are you so narrow sighted that you cant see the impact of inserting such an ambiguous term into the constitution will have and the amount of trouble it will cause but you are now going to try second guess the supreme court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭j2


    If Roderic says yes that's basically it right? The space between reality and the rte notion of what a mind is has to be growing, surely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Abstaining

    I won't be voting.

    I can't put into words how uninterested I am in it.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Abstaining

    I would agree that voting yes without really knowing what you are voting for isn't a great approach either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Voting YES for both

    So you still can't provide definitions. Good to know. The fact you are struggling to provide definitions says it all. Again, most people are fully able to grasp the meaning of durable relationship, its doesn't exactly require a rocket scientist to figure it out.


    It's not about second guessing the Supreme court. Its about looking at judgments they have made in the past and determining what likely judgments they will make in the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both

    I am really surprised to see the mainstream polls so heavily indicating a yes vote to both- almost everyone I speak to is either voting no, or completely uninterested. I guess it comes down to what side is more passionate to get out on the day- and usually, it tends to be those in favour of making a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,259 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Voting NO for both

    Same, anyone I’ve talked to who is engaged with it is saying NO NO or...no interest whatsoever and confusing it with an election even....

    But as always the way - The major parties will get their vote out to bloc vote for yes - no major party (afaik) are pushing for a NO NO vote?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I am voting NO (family amendment)

    Aontú are advocating No/No, but I acknowledge you did say "major" Party.

    Also bloc voting is just voting. You won't find too many people who voted to repeal the 8th, or for marriage equality, and did so against their own beliefs just because a Party they support asked them to.

    Those days are looooooooong gone.

    Both these referendums will pass, by 5 to 10% and with woeful turnout. And we'll all just get on with our lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭FionnK86


    Abstaining

    I am not voting. This year our local council asked us to take a day off work to allow a company to come and inspect our rented accommodation. I don't have the extra time now to come and vote in this junk. I always vote but have no appetite to vote. Enrages me to see signs around the neighbourhoods that I cannot afford to buy in. I think the amount of abstentions will be a real eye opener to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,499 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Voting YES for both

    How has this got anything to do with the referendum though?

    The turnout is going to be low, everyone expects it. I don't think anybody will be too concerned if the turnout is in the 30s even (which is a shame to be fair)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Voting NO for both

    If the amendments are carried then "they" won't care if only 12 people voted.

    And if the amendments aren't carried then they'll have the excuse that the turnout was surprisingly low, but "the people have spoken".

    Either way, "they" will have fulfilled the commitment in the Programme for Government to hold the referenda (as recommended by the Citizens Assembly) and "they" will cheerfully continue drawing their salaries and grandstanding about RTE, Ukraine and Gaza. Heads they win, tails we lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,499 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Voting NO for both

    No and no. These are getting even more rushed and shambolic. It’s like they don’t even read these themselves and scratch their head when someone asks for clarification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Voting NO for both

    The above comment is the problem with the majority of the Irish electorate…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭jack of all


    I'm voting no on both proposals. I don't trust this government and I'm deeply suspicious of Roderic O'Gorman and what his vision is for Ireland. I was very impressed with Michael McDowell's interview, didn't always like his politics but he made a strong case for a No vote, in my opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Havent decided yet. Read the booklet. Still have questions.


    I'm not a fan of McDowell, cannot stand him from his PD days, but he raised valid issues and questions and seems more coherent than the yes side so far.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Voting NO for both

    "Again, most people are fully able to grasp the meaning of durable relationship"

    I must be absolutely thick so. For my education and other puzzled voters, please explain exactly what is the meaning of 'durable relationship'.

    And give clear examples of what is a 'durable relationship' and what isn't a 'durable relationship'.

    Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I am voting NO (family amendment)

    This is kinda nonsense though. The polls are open from 7am-10pm, on a Friday night.

    If you don't want to vote, don't vote. But don't make out that there isn't time to, the choice is entirely yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Voting YES for both

    Don't put yourself down Furzee. I'm confident you'll be well able to do. We will give it a bash.


    What do you think the term durable means?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Voting NO for both

    I'll be voting No & No Why?

    Because if it ain't broke don't fix it.

    Proposed new wording is too wishy washy and open to question & misinterpretation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Voting NO for both

    Well the mistress would know he is married, I mean how long could he realistically hide that. So she knows it’s not necessarily going to turn into a relationship and she might be fine with that(my understanding is that there is frequently a financial transaction involved). The wife may not be unaware of the mistress and he may be spending limited time with her. So it would be his wife and children that would be punished for his affair after he dies, which would also be wide open for abuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Voting NO for both

    I have no idea what constitutes a 'durable relationship' and that's why I asked YOU to explain since you seem sure.

    Please explain exactly what is the meaning of 'durable relationship'.

    And give clear examples of what is a 'durable relationship' and what isn't a 'durable relationship'


    If you can't, just say so and we'll understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Voting YES for both

    Voting Yes to both.

    Was doubting but now know it's right thing to do when I see majority of posters on Boards are voting No/No and Conor McGregor has also called for a No/No vote for no valid reason other than its coming from the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭flexcon


    Voting NO for both

    Bit of an odd take but understandable



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I am voting YES (family amendment)

    This is me...puts hand up 🖐 At this point I am yes , no .

    I trust our legal system will be reasonable and rational when it comes to defining a " durable relationship " .

    It already has, with the case a few weeks ago where the man who was refused the widower's pension after his partner and the mother of his children had died, the original court ruling overturned.

    But the 2nd one on "care" is annoying . It doesn't go far enough . Its complete bs .

    What about support and care in the community for those who don't have a family , whose family are dead , for people who are trying to live independently but struggling and need supports ?

    Or those who don't want their families to be burdened with their care?

    So I agree with those who oppose it for that reason .

    The only way it may have a place is in transferring home care tax credits or applying pension contributions for those caring at home who are not mothers? (Not sure if that will happen so maybe somebody who does know could comnent on this)

    These were the only benefits given to mothers at home rearing children and only in the last 10/15 years because of major kick up over the state pension for women who worked all their lives parttime work around their children and family care, and were being paid a pittance. Its still not sorted but getting there.


    The referendum commissioner said that " strive " means to try harder than " endeavour " btw ...

    Try harder to do what exactly ?

    @[Deleted User] there is no option on your poll to take account of people like me who are voting yes /no or no / yes.



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