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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Well obviously the average Ukrainian is not overly bothered about Russia because they are all trying to avoid being drafted.

    They have the men even if they don't have the weapons. So reading between the lines, they'd rather be alive under Russian rule than dead/disabled and forgotten about for a free Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Suckler


    What good are men if they don't have weapons?

    I'd like to see you're stat to say all Ukrainian men are trying to avoid being drafted.

    Being under Russian rule is no guarantee of carrying on living either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,246 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Yes but 100k?


    You have no knowledge or clue and you just picked that figure from thin air.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1



    Maybe they never existed and were made up for propaganda purposes. But they've gone from supposedly having excess men to being short.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    They have soldiers in on the frontline reporting they are severely undermanned. There should be queues at all the Ukrainian recruitment centres of people looking to join to stop their homeland and people being wiped off the face of the earth...

    Lots of stories floating about of telegram groups setup to avoid being drafted. It's obviously very sensitive an issue or zelensky wouldn't be so wary of enforcing greater mobilization.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Zaluhzny gone for whatever reason



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Replaced by a guy who was involved with the defence of Kyiv and the successful Kharkiv counter-attack

    It's a big risk, everyone knows it, Zaluzhny is popular, but these kind of decisions have to be made during war. There's unfortunately a clock on international support for the war and it's obvious Zelensky knows this. If they don't make any progress this year, then I'd expect "negotiations" to follow some time after. It's pretty much do or die. I don't have enough context to know if this is a good decision or not, it's very difficult to know, and is causing divides with Ukrainians, but no one knows, it will put pressure on the military to perform and not "settle" in to stalemate, which seems the highest priority. The Russians seem to have lost most of their offensive power.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    In 2h 2022 they had to turn volunteers away because the military had enough soldiers. The Ukrainians have shown extraordinary almost super-human solidarity and bravery against a much larger foe, and still do, but bravery and sacrifice has limits, it's two years in and there's an approximate stalemate, recruitment is more difficult now.

    A significant number of posters here have said they'd never fight if e.g. Ireland were attacked. People are human beings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 525 ✭✭✭1373


    Say someone who probably never faced be blown to bits



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Suckler


    So the line "They are all trying to avoid being drafted" has no real substance.

    Any link posted throughout this thread you've generally hopped on as unverifiable twitter info or media bias yet you're making things up as you go along and touting some impromptu sit down as a done deal. It's bar stool stuff and used car salesman techniques.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I wonder how that will go down on the front lines?

    Over the past few years there have been stories about men being press-ganged into the army, and here I'm referring to the period between 2014 and 2022. And many stories about men getting out of the country to avoid being sent to the Donbass front.

    It is understandable that in the wake of the broader invasion in 2022 many men would enthusiastically sign up in a blaze of patriotic fervour to help save the fatherland. But that first flush of keen young men has come and gone, and many body bags have come home since. Now it is logically much more difficult to find people who are keen to fight and die - as the type of person who is affected in that way is already at the front, or if well-connected in an administrative post far from the front lines.

    Doubtless the same applies to Russia as to Ukraine - but it does have a much larger population which had not been already depleted by 30 years of austerity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    There’s no way volunteers were being turned away that time. Waiting to be trained more like. It was just a good news story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    It's hard to see what progress they could make this year. If they need several hundred thousand men to start pushing the Russians back, they surely need to be training these men now to start having them ready by mid summer.

    It doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon before even weapon availability is taken into account.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's going to be very difficult, but Ukrainian leadership don't have the option to shrug and give up. They must either make progress this year, or go to "negotiations" from a position of strength. Putin will never stop unless forced to, or pushed back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Ukr military turned volunteers down at that period because they wanted quality over quantity. Now, as mentioned, recruitment is more difficult.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Tucker Carlson "interviewed" Putin, who went on one his usual long rambling diatribes.

    Some highlights:

    "Mr Putin claims that areas in the south and east of Ukraine "had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever". Conquered from the Ottoman Empire by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in the seventeenth century, the Russian president says that means these lands are in fact rightfully Russian. Mr Putin later refers to them using the seventeenth-century term "Novorossiya" - New Russia.

    Mr Suny points out that the inhabitants of these lands when they were conquered by Russia were neither Russian nor Ukrainian, but Ottoman, Tatar or Cossacks - Slavic peasants who had fled to the frontiers."



    "Mr Putin went on to claim that "Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at [Joseph] Stalin's will," arguing that Ukraine was created by the Soviet leadership in the 1920s and received lands that it had no historical claim to.

    In a sense, he is correct, says Prof Radchenko. The Soviet leadership drew up the borders of Soviet republics "almost like the Western colonial powers drew up borders in Africa - kind of randomly.

    "But that does not mean that Ukrainians did not exist."

    More broadly, Mr Radchenko denies Mr Putin's claims that Ukraine is not a real country because it was formed in its modern form in the twentieth century. "Any country is a fake country, in the sense that countries are created as a result of a historical process.

    "Russia was created as a result of decisions taken by the Russian tsars, such as the colonisation of Siberia, which came at the considerable expense of the local population.

    "If Ukraine is a fake country, then so is Russia."



    "Perhaps Mr Putin's most inflammatory claim was regarding Poland. Mr Putin claimed that Poland - which was invaded by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 - "collaborated with Hitler".

    The Russian president told his interviewer that by refusing to cede an area of Poland called the Danzig Corridor to Hitler, Poland "went too far, pushing Hitler to start World War Two by attacking them".

    For Prof Prazmowska, President Putin's interpretation of history is a flawed reading of the historical record. She says that while it is true that there were diplomatic contacts between Poland and the Nazis - the first treaty Hitler signed after coming to power was a non-aggression pact with Poland in 1934 - Mr Putin is conflating diplomatic outreach to a threatening neighbour with collaboration.

    "The accusation that the Poles were collaborating is nonsense," says Mrs Prazmowska.

    "You can't interpret these things as if this were collaboration with Nazi Germany, because it just so happened that the Soviet Union also signed treaties with Germany [at the same time]."

    In September 1939, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union invaded Poland according to the terms of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact signed between both states earlier that year."




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1



    The reality of holding and retreating from adiivka seems to have been more costly than maybe was let on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,163 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Denmark is sending it's entire stock of artillery to Ukraine but afaik they are keeping their air defense systems in place. They have called on other European states to sent ammunition. It's probably due to the fact that the US Republican party have continued to block the vote on the recent aid deal.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Good loser


    I wish we would do the same. Criminal not to give Ukraine all we have.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I think we're giving them enough of what we have.

    I feel very sorry for what is happening to their country, but I'm failing to get services here for my sick child due to "budgetary issues"

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It’s hard to believe Zelensky saying 31k troops have been killed in the 2 years of war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Pinch of salt as they are cautious with figures, but that's still 42 dead per day, which is high. At the height of Bahkmut there were several hundred killed on some of the days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Doubt too many do believe it. If it was true they wouldn't be short of men.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    That's killed, the number of wounded will be significantly higher. I would say it's around double those figures in reality.

    According to the Kyiv Post a recent audit by the new general has found thousands of troops who haven't been to the front line, whereas there are many who haven't rotated out in 2 years, so (if true) would expect that to provide fresh support.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Safe to say reality is multiples of whatever Ukraine say. It's not in their interest to tell the truth on this.

    If you pay your money or are well connected, no doubt you get a job in the army away from the action. Lots of jobs in the army to do away from the trenches.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Why is it safe to say?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Why are you always negative on the Ukrainians. Would you prefer that retarded, muderous b***x should win?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    It's not in their interest to tell the truth on this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1




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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    There's a small cabal of posters here who are anti-Zelensky/Ukraine for whatever reasons and as such they don't want Ukraine to prevail. Which is why we get this production of snide comments, contrarianism and concern-trolling.



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