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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • #6482
    cr-07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭cr-07


    Same price as on DoneDeal:


    https://naasroad.frankkeanebmw.ie/used-cars/BMW/i4/eDrive40-M/3536476/



  • #6483
    Redfox25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    Deliberate typo mistake likely, if it is that cheap, then will likely be snapped up



  • #6484
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭zg3409


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800466#Comment_121800466

    Done deal now says 59k



  • #6485
    handpref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭handpref


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780482#Comment_121780482
    IMG_9235.jpeg

    Boomerang ?



  • #6486
    gn3dr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808729#Comment_121808729

    Saw that alright. I'll wait a week or two for that to appear on Merlin's sales price list and I'll have a nosey then.

    Post edited by gn3dr on


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  • #6487
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808729#Comment_121808729

    Asking price seems optimistic even allowing for the tiny mileage.



  • #6488
    maddness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭maddness


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801325#Comment_121801325

    Don’t worry, it will probably be 49k soon enough…



  • #6489
    k123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭k123456


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121809784#Comment_121809784

    😀 Agreed



  • #6490
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,643 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    People don't have more money in their pockets to spend on cars than they did pre covid, pre brexit. Early adopters that could afford it lapped up EVs but that market stage has passed, they now need to be made affordable. And they are also abandoning premium brands in their droves in favour of mainstream and even upstart brands.

    Expecting 2 year old i4s to sell at 60k is madness, it doesn't have any more range, doesn't have a huge power advantage and isn't exactly practical compared to what's out there brand new for much less money.

    A 330e msport brand new was about 47k not so long ago. 60k was new money for the class above, 5 series, A6, E Class.

    BMW have some egos on them too, introducing a cut price sport model in the i5 to protect their image instead of just accepting the msport is massively overpriced.

    The mainstream are matching them now in most ways, they have really upped their games. From the 1970s to 2010s BMW and the other premium Germans were better cars than their Asian competition and priced accordingly, in this current age they haven't moved on but moved their prices up to retain the perception of premium. But the gig is up I feel. May annoy some owners and fans but I feel it's true.



  • #6491
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,333 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    As a BMW fan, it pains me to say I think you are mostly right there, @Buddy Bubs

    I do think BMW will survive (a few years ago I doubted that) but they are currently taking the mick with their EV pricing for what aren't even the greatest of cars

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • #6492
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,643 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121814979#Comment_121814979

    Yeah I'm a fan of the brand but not what they're offering at the moment. I bought my first car aged 22 which was an e36 318is and up to now almost 20 years later I've had a BMW on the drive except for a period of about 3 years, don't have one at the moment but I'm sure I will again. There's a few things out on the market at the moment I'll be buying used before going back to BMW though, my next BMW hasn't launched yet.

    They will survive, but not as a mass manufacturing high priced premium brand selling everything from 1 series to 8 series with an x variant of everything. But markets change, companies change, they'll adapt.

    The other 2 big Germans need to do the same, I don't know why Audi as a part of a massive VW group bother competing at lower ends with its siblings.



  • #6493
    dr.dundrum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭dr.dundrum


    As a fan of thread, I see so few bargains last 3 weeks. I think people like me act soon not to miss the low price levels



  • #6494
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    ID.4 - 77kWh version €25,950. High enough miles, €25K would surely buy it.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/view/36126576



  • #6495
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,333 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Another Fluence, asking €3,500. Not stated the battery is owned and the car looks a bit battered, not clean, NCT out since last year. But it does come with a car charge point and granny cable

    These cars are brilliant as a second family car that never needs to do more than about 50km in a day (which applies to the majority of second family cars in Ireland). Far more comfortable and pleasant to be in and look at than a Leaf

    I doubt he would refuse a €2,500 offer. And that would make it a total bargain if it checks out and needs nothing for the NCT

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-fluence-electric/35060353?modal=gallery#

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #6496
    Casati
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Casati


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121814764#Comment_121814764

    Not sure where they are getting the money, but actually people must have a lot more money in their pockets - car prices are really expensive now - and its not just ev's - Polo 1.0 95bhp late 20's, and a 115bhp Golf TDI is well into the 40's, even a Corolla is late 30k's, C200 AMG Line is 80k. Add to the high list prices are very limited discounts and almost no cheap PCP deals (even an Octavia is 5.9% with a new model coming soon).

    Despite all the increases across all segments of the market, sales are up massively over 2023. I personally can't work it out but it's clear money is no problem for a lot of people.

    I do agree re your point on the premium makes, especially more so when it comes to EV's. Buying premium brand was always paying a lot for the brand, but it often got you a drive-train that simply wasn't available on cheaper mass market cars - e.g. BMW famous 6 cylinder engines were a thing of beauty to the senses and the sound alone was worth shelling out 10k or even 20k more than a similar bhp Toyota Avensis or Mondeo, but as you say now every EV manufacturer - even the new entrants, have similar drivetrains, with similar range, power and acceleration and also similar levels of spec and space. Paying a fortune on something like an i5 M60 gets you blistering acceleration - but you can get that today for small money (e.g. MG4 X Power). For me, I would always have coveted the top of the range BMW's, and to a lessor extents Merc's and of course the RS Audi's and wondered if I could engineer my life to afford one, but now I look at these premium EV's with a billion bhp and dont feel I'm missing out by not having the budget to buy one.



  • #6497
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,981 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817693#Comment_121817693

    Thats actually a really clean car apart from the scratch on the drivers door. A bit of sandpaper, filler, and a rattle can would make it look a lot less noticeable



  • #6498
    Casati
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Casati


    Another potential here Model 3P 221 for 35k. Seems on the money?

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/IEVOA/permalink/3618041078437154/



  • #6499
    Casati
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Casati


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817858#Comment_121817858

    Though one thing is that the battery was replaced after 25k, not v inspiring, you’d be expecting a lot longer life wouldn’t you?



  • #6500
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,333 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817858#Comment_121817858

    Going back to diesel for someone who is doing 30k km per year? Just because they lost free work charging? Seems strange. Diesel is going to cost more even if you can't get home charging.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #6501
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,881 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Will BYD sell this car in Ireland?

    What might the price here be?


    https://thedriven.io/2024/02/22/corolla-killer-byd-launches-us15000-ev-in-direct-attack-on-legacy-makers/


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  • #6502
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,333 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I doubt it is currently meeting all EU requirements for new cars, so I can't see it coming here or for anywhere near that price. There is substantial shipping costs and then there are our local taxes. Current base BYD electric car is a small basic car and still nearly €30k before you take off the Irish €3.5k subsidy

    But no doubt will we see fully electric cars from China in the same segment as and of at least the same build quality as a Toyota Corolla and probably a much better standard spec, for many thousands less. Corolla was already beaten as best selling car in the world last year. It will never be best selling again, it's a has been. And the same might well go for the whole of Toyota.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #6503
    dickdasr1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    Hehe, yeah, a fortune to be made short-selling so...

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817963#Comment_121817963
    Screenshot_20240226_014541_Chrome.jpg




  • #6504
    dickdasr1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    Aye, Europe funded Russia's takeover of Ukraine with eyes wide shut and will go a fair way toward finding China's takeover of Taiwan and the South China Sea.

    Consumers need a kick up the hole!



  • #6505
    td2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭td2008


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817865#Comment_121817865

    Mine was replaced at 40km too. There's also another red M3P on the group that has the battery replaced - you'd wonder what the actual percentage replacements are and what that would look like it a few years



  • #6506
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818610#Comment_121818610

    Guys were congratulating each other here, when their model S battery ceased to work, I do not find a replacement engine or battery reassuring or a bonus, in my mind "its how long before the same happens again.

    This is the cheapest model S, the new owner can call it triggers broom,

    "The only old part from 2014 is a bare shell. Everything else was replaced courtesy of Teslas amazing warranty."

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-performance-85-free-supercharging/36384188

    20 k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAh8HryVaeY


    Post edited by kanuseeme on

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  • #6507
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,981 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818661#Comment_121818661

    And it also needs €3.5k spent on the air suspension



  • #6508
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,333 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @kanuseeme - "Guys were congratulating each other here, when there model S battery ceased to work"

    Yep. That had nothing to do with the actual battery being problematic on the pre-facelift Model S (up to very early 2016), but because the battery compartment wasn't 100% waterproof long term on them. So eventually moisture got in, had an impact on a few battery cells, which gave BMS errors. Then Tesla would proceed to replace the battery.

    Not with a new one in most cases, but with a reburbished one. But they did sort out the seal, that was the reason for the joy / congratulations. My own 142 Model S got a battery from a 2013 Model S back in 2020 😂 The car has since done over 100k km without battery issues

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #6509
    Casati
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Casati


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121818610#Comment_121818610

    Did they explain why it was replaced, and why they didn’t just replace a few bad cells etc? I often hear how full batteries don’t fail, at most it’s a cell or two, and how easy it is to replace one or two cells and how a full battery failure is extremely unlikely to be required on a second hand EV. Seems odd Tesla would replace a complete battery



  • #6510
    denismc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭denismc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819062#Comment_121819062

    I guess it's easier and faster to swap out a full battery pack rather than messing around with individual modules and trying to balance and calibrate everything.

    The old battery pack can then be repaired and repurposed at a later date.



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  • #6511
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,576 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819062#Comment_121819062

    Tesla don't repair individual cells. They swap out the pack, then repair the cells inhouse and use it for a further battery swap down the line



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