Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

No, they are not part of that mindset. This is why I qualified my comment with the term "the general Israeli mindset", which implies that it is the majority of Israelis, but not all, who share that opinion.

I loudly applaud those Israelis, and Jewish people around the world, who are vocal and demonstrating against the current military action. They are obviously not brainwashed into the Zionism mind virus that is responsible for the current atrocities.

Ok, that’s fine. Personally I wouldn’t be a big “lessons from history” man. I think the last 20 years of history is all that really matters and that’s within a given situation: not comparing Ireland in the 17th century to Israel in the 21st. That would be just a personal thing.

We’ll find out anyway where more decades of Palestinian resistance will get them I’m sure. I don’t know how you see it but I see many many more years of war there.

A mere 24 hours ago we had lads telling us that the Palestinians should leave Rafah and head to safer places like Mawasi where they would be safe

Well guess what's happening in Mawasi

It's genocide!

You did say it. For anyone who doesn't remember this particularly bizarre attempt at normalising IDF abuses of Palestinians, the discussion was in the context of photos that were posted of the IDF forcing a large group of Palestinian men to kneel on the ground stripped down to their underwear.

Fair enough. I've only seen what's on the BBC/RTE and only probably only a few seconds worth.

What protesters protest about is entirely up to them. I wouldn't judge them on the basis of placards they are carrying, or not carrying, what scarfs they are wearing or not wearing. Its entirely up to them. If they want to carry "Hamas out!" cards, I'd be supportive of that myself. But I wouldn't judge them on what they weren't carrying.

Bear in mind, the news regarding Israel that people are reading/seeing/hearing in the few minutes they have each day is wall to wall about the deaths of Palestinian civilians. That is what they are protesting - protect the innocent. They probably know nothing more about the conflict.

It does not mean they are Hamas supporters though. And they see that there is only one attacking force - the ones with tanks, F16s, soldiers etc is Israel - that's why they call for an Israeli ceasefire. They don't see Hamas fighters running around, in tanks, flying jets and bombing Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

Die hard pro-Israeli, Pro Palestinian, anti violence/genocide people will be better informed regarding the nuances of this campaign that only get a few seconds airing on the main news - and the understand that Hamas is a terrorist organisation and what they did Oct 7th was abhorrent and utterly condemnable. And Israel is perfectly entitled to go after them.

How Israel goes about that is where the disagreements and polarisation starts.

I doubt very much this incident was anything more than an observable event - the reason it makes Israelis nervous is because that suits them. When there are videos of the Israelis lining up the deck chairs, firing up the barbecue and getting the music on so they can see the slaughter in Gaza, they are most certainly not afraid.

I'd bet the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank feel far less safe.

So, only the US voting against. All others, bar the UK, voted for - UK abstained.

Consensus is getting closer.

Something to be proud of.

If this was the other way round and Palestinians set Israeli cars on fire, they'd be dead.

Settlers just get "investigated" - and we all know what that means. A great big nothing burger.

Haaretz:

A security source told Haaretz that Israel is investigating whether settlers who entered the village of Burka near Ramallah overnight into Tuesday set Palestinians' cars on fire. This comes after an Israeli was lightly wounded earlier on Monday evening when an explosive device was thrown at a vehicle near the village, the IDF said.

Existential threat? Please do elucidate.

And I certainly do not need to demonise Israel - they're doing a grand job of that on their own.

Barbecues and raves set up so they can watch live, in real-time, the slaughter of innocents. I don't need to demonize that. Res ipsa loquitor.