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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    When mcstay took over he said the only place for Aidan was on the edge of the square and that he should stay there. But it's noticeable the last few games that Aidan is drifting out the field and as a result the reason for him being on the field is lost and the forward line loses its shape.

    I mentioned before that Paddy Andrews said that every Dublin forward was expected to score regardless of what they contributed besides. Last night 2 of the starting 6 Mayo forwards failed to score and both were taken off. This is the correct approach in my view and it sets a standard. An extension of this logic would be start McHale or Towie instead the next day as they are likely to score.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭TsuDhoNimh



    I'd imagine one of the main targets for the rest of the league (besides 2 more points) will be trying to play Cillian, Aidan or/and Tommy (potentially Mattie too when we see how he comes back) into a bit of form. They're all in desperate need of something, be it a fluke goal from a shot dropping short, a ball bouncing in off their knee or a POTM performance to try and get a spark going and get a little confidence up.

    We could certainly play with any 3 from RO'D/Conroy/McHale/Towey/Carr/Irwin (/Quinn, hopefully he'll be given a chance to show where he's at) for the last 4 games, but I wouldn't expect it and not sure it'd be in our best interests for he year ahead. Cillian needs at least a couple of starts if he's to get anywhere close to where he can get to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Anyone know what the story is with James Carr?. I heard he picked up another injury a while back, not sure where he is on the road to recovery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    McStay gave injury updates including Carr after the Dublin game ~2 weeks ago (no idea if the 'another' you mentioned might have been after that). At that point they were looking at Round 4 (Tyrone next week) or Round 5 (Roscommon) as possibilities for James.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    The while back I mentioned would have been last year but I heard it was a bad one, would be great to have him back as an option in the forwards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Injured his knee in the club championship last September. Don't think it was ACL but had to get some sort of surgery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,363 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    What's the story with Aiden Orme these days?

    It was just watching the Galway v Tyrone game earlier today that reminded me of him.

    The ref correctly blew it up with Tyrone in possession inside the Galway 45 and looking to engineer the tying score.

    Orme got a lot of stick a few years ago v Galway for taking a low percentage shot in the same circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Don’t think he’s a part of the panel this year.

    I’d agree he was unfairly lambasted for that effort. People have a tendency to be overly critical of lads that take low percentage shots and miss, and yet be critical when people don’t take those same shots. 🤷🏼



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I think he left of his own accord but I could be open to correction on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    That’s what I understood also



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Unfortunately I think we are indeed looking for luck to get something going in the forward line because it doesn't look like it's going to come from any style or tactics. Defensively, we have been doing very well. A big improvement on last year but that was an easy win considering we were playing a forward at CB. But I'm at a loss to see any real positives in attack other than the form of RO'D. From what I can see we're trying to kick pass from relatively short range and into a crowded defensive to the likes of AO'S and Tuohy. It ain't working at all, why would it. On the other hand, Kerry were playing long diagonal balls for their forwards to run on to in space.

    It would be nice to see signs of something being worked on that might come good for the Championship, but at the moment more questions are being raised than answers for me.

    I think it's time to use the remaining league games to see what we can develop up front without AO'S or Cillian starting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I agree with the contrast between Kerrys long kicking and our ponderous approach. Kerry may have better long kickers but I think the main problem is our obsession with soloing. I see it at underage as well where a player takes that extra unnecessary solo and runs into trouble - either with a delayed kick into the forward line or getting bottled up and overturned.

    Aidan drifting out the field is also part of it. The counter attack visibly slows when he gets the ball. I believe if he was replaced by McHale or Towie the attacks would be much slicker. We will never know until its tried though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Can't say I've noticed the soloing but will keep an eye out for it. Is it not just a byproduct of being a bit too lateral I wonder.

    I do think it's time to use the rest of the campaign to see what we can get going without Aidan in there. He only returned 1-3 from play last year... granted, he did have a decent year and made scores for others.... but at this stage, I think it's time to try something new. There's a lot to gain from it and it'll need to be done soon anyway.

    I would have hoped McStay might have brought something fresher to the table this year. It seems like we're more or less trying the same stuff over again which we know isn't going to cut the mustard.

    Kerry should have had us well beaten by half time, it might not have been a bad thing if that had happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The lateral passing is also a thing but the soloing as well. Eoin McLoughlin for example is guilty of it. Makes some great runs but then takes that extra solo when he should release the ball and then he gets dispossessed.

    Even if McStay were wedded to the idea of playing Aidan he should have a plan B in the event that he got injured. It's no use leaving it until championship.

    If we pick up 2 more points and no doubt we will he will surely have to mix things up a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I've said plenty about EMcL before, I still don't think he's there yet with decision making at the highest level. He's a serious athlete but if they're playing him they should have him tasked when extremely clear and simple instructions imo, almost like set plays.

    Another big thing that jumped out (was at an afters of a wedding so wasn't watching as closely as usual) was our lack of killer edge / taking on goal chances.

    I think Tommy had an opportunity to go for goal with his first point, Ryan another one after the excellent palmed ball by Aidan. I would really like to see us trying to make them goal chances. Two players who should be instructed to go for goal if given a sniff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    It's unclear if EMcL will ever develop that decision making as he took up the sport fairly late. When he was in close to goal in the first half the better option was to fist it over but he blazed it wide. Not sure what he was trying but an easy point missed.

    I remember a few tap overs alright when a goal chance was possible. Usually top teams have forwards that have goal on their mind when they get the ball and only take the point when the goal chance isn't on. That needs to be encouraged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭crusd


    The best teams trust their players rather than micro manage every minute. The job of management is to provide a framework and create the environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭crusd


    Strongest 15 with everyone available in my opinion.

    Positions in defence quite fluid depending on opposition

    Reape

    Coyne Brick Callinan

    Paddy McBrien Hession

    DOC Carney Flynn

    Boland

    Conroy McHale

    Carr Rod

    A primary ball winner is the missing link. Ruane's form has been off for too long. Touhy - developing but not quite there yet.

    Conroy needs a chance to play himself into form but Towey also deserves another couple of chances in the league to stake a claim. Need 4-5 players who can take a score.

    O'Shea is really slowing down the play at this stage but has a role as an impact sub down the line. Sadly Cillian is looking well off the pace, but again could play himself back into contention with an injury free run as a shooter of his ability is worth his weight in gold.

    McLaughlin is some athlete but the basic skills of a Hession are vastly superior and if he stays fit is the superior option. Coen, good back up to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Not micro manage every minute. But the last 2 minutes of the game on Saturday were crucial. And Mayo blew it. Management should have been able to calm them down and see out the last 2 minutes. Play keep ball to at least get a draw (Kerry didn't seem to have any great appetite to chase the ball down). Or if wanting to show some ambition, at least wait until the last 20 seconds to have a pot shot - so that the game would be over on the re-start.

    It's not rocket science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭crusd


    The league is the time to coach players to make better decisions themselves. Rather than try to prescribe every moment. Brickenden made the wrong decision twice there. First to take the mark and second to shoot. And the players around him failed to show leadership or back him up by making themselves available. Massive coaching opportunities there which if taken could benefit the team more in the long run than having every decision prescribed from the touchline. If the management team make all the decisions players will never make them for themselves and you will have a weaker team. Last year we had a team that mentally wilted many times under pressure. Like they did not have the autonomy to play what was in front of them and had nothing to fall back on.. This has vastly improved this year and by not taking on every decision the management are perhaps giving them space to evolve their on field leadership. I hope so at least.

    Not to say in May or June with a championship on the line you dint want management giving guidance. But you don't want it to be a crutch, and in round 3 of the league, with 2 wins already under the belt, give the players the space to learn



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    I like Hession but he was very safe on the ball vs Kerry. Didn't try to take a man on or attempt any kick pass forward. Everything was lateral.

    At least McLaughlin was trying to be progressive with the ball. He wasn't the only one misplacing passes either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    It's almost as if Hession was returning from a layoff. A bit early to be judging him on his return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I'd agree with that lineup overall. Forward line a bit light possibly but it's probably the best we have. Carr has a bit of work to do to nail down a sport as he is very inconsistent. Like EMcL he mixes explosive play with the mediocre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    An outside view on Mayo's age profile. Wouldn't agree in Diarmuid's case but the overall point seems to chime with idea of McStay not having too many older players on the field at the same time.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Sure we must have the youngest team/panel in division 1. Aidan, Cillian and O'Hora are the only outfield players in their 30s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    A bit of a bugbear of mine is this recent enough trend of writing "an article" based on a few comments someone made in a podcast. You would have to listen to the podcast to get a proper reflection of what was said.

    Including Diarmuid is daft and discussions regarding the roles Aidan and Cillian will play this year is hardly groundbreaking. I think we all know that that's something McStay needs to get right by the Championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    That's not the point. It's about having the older, slower players on the bench. Despite some good individual play the forward line as a whole is not functioning properly, especially the full foward line. And it will be very difficult to develop an attacking style of play while Aidan is named up front but drifting back the field and pulling the shape of the team with him.

    He says the same thing in the podcast. I'll be interested to see the team named for sunday. Hopefully some changes will be made up front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    It’s a cheap clickbait article and the fella making the comments doesn’t sound like he has a clue about what he’s on about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Aidan has not played well the last two games so by all means we should try something different. Just a bit lazy to put it down to age IMO. Is he any slower now than 2 or 3 years ago?

    There are several players older than Aidan around the country still performing to a very high level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The older part applies to the need to move in a different direction as much anything. I don't see him evolving with different systems.

    But I think but pace wise and stamina wise he is really struggling now to last beyond a half hour and I believe age is a factor there. Even playing inside he is unable to get out in front of his man. Out the field he cannot track a player. There aren't that many older players than Aidan playing to a high level that I can think of. James McCarthy is the same age but is naturally much more athletic and mobile.



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