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Deposit return scheme (recycling)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Where was this? Was it out of order I wonder or just not turned on yet as there's still very little in the way of in-scope products out there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,950 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    A large Dunnes stores. It had bottles stuffed in it and a rather peculiar looking screen.Probably more down to user error.

    Had an older gent ask me if he could watch me use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭greasepalm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,950 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    He wasn't wearing a trench coat and vigorously "scratching" himself. Still perhaps I was a tad naive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah Dunnes in Jetland was the same the other day, one switched off and 2 (maybe 3?) working. My guess would be there's no point having it turned on when there's so little going back at the minute



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yep, they have good reason now to up their charges.

    Maybe, just maybe, would it be too much to ask for the government to give a rebate to every householder on such contracts - to compensate them for their negligence in incorporating the existing scheme into their new idea. Would be fair??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Anyone with an ounce of sense could see an increase in bin charges coming a mile off. Not alone have the bin complanies a well publicised excuse for price increases but they also have valid reason so certain rises on the way.

    The long and the short of this is that public cannot even break even with this scheme even if bringing back every container.

    It will need review pretty quickly I feel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Enrico Palazzo


    The only review it's going to undergo will be a deposit increase(s).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,759 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Easily half or more of all potential products sold now are already in scope for refund - the idea that there'd be queues was always bollox; the lack of queues doesn't mean there's little returns going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    No way are half of potential products in all shops within the scheme at this point.

    Im still not paying the deposit on any soft drink bottles or cans. The only thing to date that im paying deposit on is bottled orange juice of which ive collected 2 bottles since scheme came in. This would clearly explain why the machines are not under too much pressure at the minute.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Yes correct as only got 2 cans of Pepsi Max with deposit and 1 bottle of Apple Juice to return



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,759 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    We may buy very different things. And while my choices may be a bit odd, they cover a lot of the market - yours would have to be similarly or even further odd to avoid it that much. So its just as likely that you not finding in scope stuff is a massive outlier as it is that I'm not finding out of scope stuff.

    Local shops to me have run out of their pre-scheme Coca Cola Ireland products already, only within the last week or so. All new stuff is logoed. Irn Bru is still out of scope, Football Special is in scope. That's pretty much all I ever buy admittedly. I've not gone back to the chipper that does Pepsi yet.

    I don't buy macro produced beer so wouldn't have a clue what's going on there; but in my local shop the only remaining not in scope Irish craft cans are Wicklow Wolf. All the Kinneger/Farringtons/8 Degrees/O'Haras cans are now either logo or international barcode. Same with the local Lidl.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,578 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Will there always be cans and bottles with no return possible, you'd see a lot of red bull cans discarded, are they not in the scheme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    after june 1st i'd imagine it would be hard to see any non-return possible cans/bottles (unless they're made out of some non recycleable material). Shops have from now until june 1st to get rid of their remaining shop, but i would imagine the odd corner shop that goes to things like cash and carry, or the north may every so often sneak in a couple of non return eligible items, or some random imported international thing and slide under the radar for a bit.

    i think june 1st is the date it becomes illegal to sell the cans/bottle items without a deposit

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,611 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Had 2 500ML bottles of coke zero empty in the car and decided to try my hand at this bottle return malarkey. Both had the proper labels and the big **** off RETURN ME, SENPAI. Put the bottle in, got half way down and spat it back out saying it was an invalid barcode..... on both.


    So they both went in the bin instead. System is very stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    From my own experience multipacks of canned Guinness aren't included yet, that's the main source of cans in my household and I'd imagine most households are similar, with perhaps a different beer in the container.

    I'm not saying there will be queues, but when the multipacks get the barcodes the machines will be busier and the need to turn the third one on will be there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    I've seen machines out of order with regular tin cans just thrown into the bacl of the machine. despite the claims from some people here about how well advertised /explained the scheme was it appears a significant number of people don't appear to know how it works.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Different locations perhaps are stocked differently but no sign of the re turn coke cans where I am in mayo in either independent shops or aldi.

    Bottled cidona etc on shelves still not on the scheme having checked barcodes on return site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,151 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I can't understand if a deposit is being taken for an item how the item is then not qualifying for refund at any RVM in the system, surely only the list of barcoded items accepted at the RVM should be triggering the deposit charge at the points of sale, otherwise it's what can only be described as fraud taking place. The Re-Turn symbol on the item has zero to do with how the barcode triggers the charge or not in a store.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    Did you try it only once? I had a large bottle and it went through the second time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    If you brought them inside for a human to see might you have got a voucher?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    only about 2 of maybe 30 odd products at the shop i work have the desposit so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Just a heads up. If you sit down in a subway or a cafe and they hand you a bottled drink or a can tell them to pour it into a cup for you.

    otherwise they charge you 15c AND you have to carry around your bottle or can with you for the rest of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭Dublinandy3


    I often buy the smallish 750ml flavoured water from River Rock. I live close to the border so usually shop both in the north and south. Last night I had an empty 750mp bottle from a purchase in the south and one from the north. I went to put them in the recycling and realised I'd bought one in the south so I could return it. I checked the bottles and they were identical, both with the deposit return logo, same bar code and what not.

    Does this mean I can actually return both and get 30c back for a 15c deposit? If I can I'll have to make sure I buy exclusively in the north. What is a cheaper product anyway is just that little bit cheaper.

    Has anyone noticed this on other brands? or is it just river rock?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Did you pay a deposit on the one purchased in the south ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,759 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    If it has the barcode [and the producer has actually registered the damn barcode, cause there seems to be some problems there...] you'll get the 25c back (750ml is 25c) whether you paid it or not.

    Coca Cola Ireland are paying a higher fee per bottle on the basis that there will be some cross-border stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭Dublinandy3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭Dublinandy3


    I guess I'll find out later when I have enough to return in one go. Thanks for the answer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Looks like you've hit the jackpot then 😊

    You can check the barcode just to be sure.



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