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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,272 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    He stated himself that there wasn't any negotiation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    And if she hasn't done anything by now she is not going to do anything. What she is going to do now is keep kicking the can down the road till the election is called and then she can pass the buck to whoever takes over and she can wash her hands of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,218 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Ermm no - if your minimum is I need this much to do the job to give up my other stuff they should have said fine, we'll get someone else - this is a magazine show at best, it's a filler show to 10am, no way deserving of 150k.

    Really its a 50-60k (very good wage for the hours) intro show for someone getting in to the business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,699 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    In what world is that pay rate correct?

    Our TDs get €107k for a full time roll, but a comedian on the radio for 1 hour a day is worth nearly 50% more?

    I'd reckon €150 per hour would be more than fair, so €30k per annum. There's surely lots of capable folk out there who would gladly do it for that and have the rest of the day off to make money elsewhere or play golf or whatever. Many specialised Hospital Consultants, the good folk in flight control at Dublin Airport or in the National Control Centre in Eirgrid keeping the lights on for the whole country wouldn't even see €150 per hour, why should Callan - it's hardly a matter of life and death?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,367 ✭✭✭SteM


    Okay, I've had it. I've been compliant for years but I will be rounding down my TV license payment to zero from now on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    The td salary seems about right,the amount of friends and family they are allowed to hire seems a bit ridiculous , anyway, going of topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    Rounding down from €450k to €400k 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡

    Tear it down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What this week has really shown us is that incompetence is rewarded in our public service e.g. Coveney . I blame FFG for allowing a mechanism that to exist.

    He resigned. He should get nothing.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    A list of Executives that left RTÉ during Dee Forbes Reign.

    1. 2016 Kevin Bakhurst (Deputy Director General, MD News and Current Affairs, Acting DG before arrival of Dee Forbes)
    2. 2016 Glen Killane (Director of TV)
    3. 2017 Múirne Laffan (Chief Digital Officer)
    4. 2018 Willie O'Reilly (Director of Commercial)
    5. 2018 Brian Dalton (Director of Corporate Development)
    6. 2018 Frances Abeton (Director of Operations and Production Services)
    7. 2020 Breda O'Keefe (CFO)
    8. 2022 Jon Williams (MD News and Current Affairs)

    The annual reports show

    €700,000 in 2017,

    €600,000 in 2018,

    €600,000 in 2019,

    €400,000 in 2020 and

    €300,000 being paid in 2022,

    The 2017 payments says they were “in accordance with the terms of the Voluntary Exit Package 2017 programme”.

    If I am reading 2017 annual report correctly no "termination benefits" were paid in 2016.

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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,272 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    How far does this culture of golden handshakes go back? Maybe several decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It will put Bakhurst in a very bad position if he took a golden handshake when he left to go to OfCom in 2016. 2017 AR suggests he did not receive such a payment nor did Glen Killane.

    I also believe its not just Senior executives that would have got this type of treatment, Bill Malone former Controller of RTÉ2 moved to TV3 in 2016, leading Adrian Lynch to become control of RTÉ ONE and 2, up until Glen Killane left, and he was put in as Director of Channels, Audiences and Marketing.

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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    I said eight months ago that the exit packages were the depth charges that would rock RTÉ to its foundations. The Tubridy payments, the Toy Show musical and the barter accounts were scandalous but the staff were on board until the whole thing blew up. The exit packages will destroy the organisation because RTÉ staff can see their bosses were lining their own pockets while deserting the sinking ship.

    I am shocked that the Taoiseach and the Minister responsible say that Breda O'Keeffe has a "moral" obligation to repay this money. Could it possibly be the Government believe it is legal (though obviously not moral) for the Head of a State Agency to pay large sums to a colleague in defiance of all regulations, governance and procedures? And to Rory Coveney?

    Based on the limited facts available, what law might Dee Forbes have broken? No one has ever been convicted of anything like this in Ireland and that's not for want of examples. Just look as those government-funded charities. The Gardai wouldn't even be aware of this outrage but for the fuss about Tubridy/Renault and, if Dee Forbes were to be charged, the DPP would be scrambling to find a suitable offence on our statute book and to run the first trial of a public official in Ireland arising from their mis-management of public funds.

    She is lucky RTÉ is not funded by the EU. Ireland recently brought in a special law criminalising the "misappropriation" of EU funds which would cover exactly this sort of thing but the Oireachtas never thought to protect Irish public funds in the same way.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c329d-minister-of-state-browne-welcomes-passage-of-legislation-to-help-combat-money-laundering-and-tackle-white-collar-crime/

    There is a long and disgraceful history. Rody Molloy could teach those RTÉ women how to ride out a scandal with the help of a mighty pension.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Lads I can’t understand why anyone is surprised by what’s being unearthed from the silos of Montrosia.

    Theres lads and lassies who ‘got in’ and thought they had arrived into the ‘ chocolate factory’ and proceeded to ‘bathe their feet’ as

    everyone else seemed to be doing.

    This ‘ligger’ mentality is endemic in the place and goes far beyond senior management. Make no mistake about that.

    Lot of bull being spaffed out about low paid workers, there’s nobody working in the Pink Palace on less than other comparable industries.


    Let’s put that one to bed kinda rapid, otherwise hoy up the comparisons so John. Q can have a gander???

    Gow an ouda datt…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    Indeed and it's why I won't listen to this bullshít argument that Tubridy "did nothing wrong" or "is a tiny story in a much bigger picture of corruption that was RTE"...... I have great time for Eamon Dunphy but he's been trying to pull that one consistently since Tubs and RTE parted ways.

    There is no difference between the Breda O' Keefe's sham redundancy package or Ryan Tubridy's "Renault" top ups. It all comes from the one culture of corruption where a select few decided they would enrich themselves and their well heeled buddies from the public purse, while the ship was slowly sinking beneath the waves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    On "termination benefits"

    going quickly back

    2015 nil

    2014 nil

    2013 200k

    2012 900k

    2011 0

    2010 50k


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    @Caquas would Rory C's exit not be viewed as a dismal one that protentional could have resulted in an unfair dismal case?

    Also same for Paula Mulooly, did she just leave or was she pushed? resulting in a similar deal as to that of Rory?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    It would be a very bold move for the WRC to declare that an Oireachtas Committee had caused the constructive dismissal of a public employee who would then be entitled to compensation from his employer. The Oireachtas could legislate an uppity WRC out of existence.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if RTÉ wanted to pay Coveney off. The bad news for them is that public bodies can’t shower money on themselves to solve personnel problems.

    Or was it to buy his silence? If so, he’s kept his side of the bargain but for how much longer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,931 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    Kevin has issued another statement to

    "clarify" things

    Coveney prob got 1 years salary

    Collins payoff is secret

    This should be revealed as it is essentially public money they are giving away.


    RTÉ Director General Kevin Bakhurst has

    issued a statement on the departures

    of some senior executives at the

    broadcaster.

    Mr Bakhurst said former Director of

    Commercial Geraldine O'Leary and

    ex-Director of Legal Affairs Paula Mullooly

    did not receive exit payments.

    Former Director of Strategy Rory Coveney

    did receive an exit payment.

    Mr Bakhurst said RTÉ's former Chief

    Financial Officer Richard Collins departed

    RTÉ "by mutual agreement, with a binding

    confidentiality clause that was agreed

    to by both sides and in the interest of

    fairness and respect cannot be breached."

    He said: "As I have stated already, RTÉ has

    previously received legal advice that it is

    restricted from providing details regarding

    the departures of individuals from RTÉ

    "This advice was shared with both the

    Public Accounts Commitee and the Joint

    Oireachtas Committee.

    "However, in the interests of transparency

    I can clarify matters with regard to the

    exits of the four executives who departed

    RTÉ after I started as Director General, and

    I am doing so with their agreement

    "Geraldine 0'Leary retired from RTÉ, and

    her role as Director of Commercial, and did

    not receive an exit payment.

    "Paula Mullooly decided to leave RTÉ, and

    her role as Director of Legal Affairs, to

    pursue another opportunity and did not

    receive an exit payment.

    Mr Bakhurst said RTÉ's former Chief

    Financial Officer Richard Collins departed

    RTÉ "by mutual agreement, with a binding

    confidentiality clause that was agreed

    to by both sides and in the interest of

    fairness and respect cannot be breached."

    He said: "As I have stated already, RTÉ has

    previously received legal advice that it is

    restricted from providing details regarding

    the departures of individuals from RTÉ

    "This advice was shared with both the

    Public Accounts Commitee and the Joint

    Oireachtas Committee.

    "However, in the interests of transparency

    I can clarify matters with regard to the

    exits of the four executives who departed

    RTÉ after I started as Director General, and

    I am doing so with their agreement

    "Geraldine 0'Leary retired from RTÉ, and

    her role as Director of Commercial, and did

    not receive an exit payment.

    "Paula Mullooly decided to leave RTÉ, and

    her role as Director of Legal Affairs, to

    pursue another opportunity and did not

    receive an exit payment.

    "Rory Coveney and I agreed that it was

    best that he stand down from his role as

    Director of Strategy

    "This enabled the beginning of the

    restructuring of the leadership team and

    the suppression of his role.

    "Responsibility for strategy has passed

    to Adrian Lynch, with no additional

    compensation, in addition to his

    substantive role as Director of Audience,

    Channels and Marketing

    "Rory's role became redundant, an exit

    payment was offered by RTÉ and accepted

    by Rory, and with no backfill being made

    RTÉ will recoup that payment by July of

    this year.

    "Following independent mediation

    Richard Collins, RTÉ's former Chief

    Financial Officer, departed RTÉ by mutual

    agreement, with a binding confidentiality

    clause that was agreed to by both sides

    and in the interest of fairness and respect

    cannot be breached.

    "As I have said before, in relation to all the

    exits, I have sought an update to the legal

    advice previously received."

    Earlier this week, Mr Bakhurst confirmed

    that Ms O'Keeffe was paid €450,000 when

    she left the organisation.


    Mr Bakhurst told Joint Oireachtas

    Committee that he and "many people"

    within the broadcaster had no knowledge

    that Ms O'Keeffe had taken a voluntary

    exit package "until she said it in one of the

    committees".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,247 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Why all the secrecy around Collins package?

    Is the man ashamed of what he gouged from a company running on tax payers/licence fee money?

    Cough up the details lad . No need to be coy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    This won't be popular but I do feel a bit for Richard Collins, I think he was treated as a patsy by O'Keefe who was leaving with her pockets stuffed with cash and by other senior execs like Forbes and conveney. I bet he got told barely a third of what was going on and I bet when this all went down it was like "Angola" as Brian Cowan said about health.

    Don't get me wrong like alot of other senior execs Collins as happy to go along not asking the questions and challenging the management especially for someone in the CFO position and then nailed his coffin shut when claiming he didn't k ow what he was being paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Which exec refused to go to the Oireachtas committee a 2nd time but was seen texting into Adrian Lynch to clarify issues. That was O'Keefe right?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Yep she seems to think that she can get others to do her bidding without her having to turn up and face the music. Have to say she seems a complete and utter cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭inajock


    Any sign of Catherine Martin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Karppi


    I've just checked my shed - she's not hiding in there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Indo saying Coveney got the equivalent of a year's salary which is presumably around 200k.

    Another outrageous amount for a person who "resigned".

    Is the government hoping to suppress these scandals because they realise now this could bring RTE down?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    This was raised around the time the project was announced. The musical was running in direct competion with the Gaietys own "Gaiety panto". Overlap in dates etc. Can't have two shows running at the same time in one venue. It would be the same I imagine for a lot of the other larger venues. I belive the convention centre was the only venue available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,468 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Didn't Bryan Dobson say recently, when he announced he was retiring, that there were further revelations to come out?

    He must have known this was all about to break, unless of course there is yet more shocking revelations to come out still?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Surely Bakhurst has a problem here. Who gave him the authority to use public money and agree to Collin's exit agreement in terms of "RTÉ by mutual agreement, with a binding confidentiality clause that was agreed to by both sides and in the interest of fairness and respect cannot be breached."

    Why does he think that he can sign 'binding confidentiality clauses' for a public body? And not be answerable to say the PAC?

    Isn't this why he was coy the other day, defending Cusack and refusing to give details of exit packages. He suspects that he's overstepped.

    Is he for the chop?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    I'd imagine these golden handshakes were just the cherry on top of a career where RTE has been a personal ATM for these people.

    With the complete and total lack of accountabily the p*ss was undoubtedly taken at every opportunity. When you can blow the bank and someone else is paying it's easy to sell yourself as "worth it".

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