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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Clearly the USA need to start thinking like Putin, what is their hard focus. Are they in for this and if not, what are the consequences for the US if Russia prevails.

    On another note I hear it reported that our own president https://president.ie/en/media-library/news-releases/statement-by-president-michael-d-higgins-on-the-death-of-alexei-navalny has stated that "The freedom to express dissenting views, be it on the structure or administration of society, is a fundamental tenet of a democracy and any accountable system."

    Does our Michilín think that Russia is a democracy?? Kind worrying that this might be his idea of democracy, hopefully not a sign of things to come here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It doesn't but it's a sad reflection how Russia can make gains when supporting drops. The next big Russia assaults will be telling. They're lining up for Kupyansk, Chasiv Yar and Robotnye. Time will tell how successful they'll be.


    We don't want a similar scenario to 2022 when they captured Popasna and started to make progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You ever hear of strategic retreat, Rogber? Now had that been Putin, he would keep keep pumping Russians into it to try and hold it, same as Stalin did in Stalingrad. There's a time to fight, and a time to fold. The Ukrainians made the right decision, under the circumstances. Adrviika will still be there when they come back for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Mutual unwritten agreement not to kill each others leadership? I doubt that very much, seeing that there has been several assassination attempts on Zelenski's life. Best chance of killing Putin will come either from his inner circle, or the military. No one else will even get close. As for a sniper taking him our say during the may day parade at the Kremlin when he's on the balcony, more than likely it will be one of Putins doubles that gets killed / injured. At this stage, when you think of all the assassinations Putin has ordered, and the different methods used, he's beyond paranoid himself now I'd say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭weisses


    Keep trying, Its a futile excercice.

    Now, back to the point I asked you what bad tactics Ukraine used while defending Bakhmut and Adviika?

    And why do you persist in incorrectly using the word futile? Is getting surrounded futile at worst? is having to retreat futile? if so why?

    Why is creating kill zones and killing thousands upon thousands enemy soldiers from a relatively easy to defend position not a smart defence?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And how many would have died by now had Putin managed to take Ukraine??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I went looking for Irelands 131st latest city and all the lists stop at 100.

    Athenry, population under 4000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭weisses


    They are not even towns anymore.. their past glory preserved by old Google images and satellite data. piles of rubble is all that is left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There's so grim reading from Ukrainian soldiers who've pulled out and it was depressing until I read the Russian soldier accounts who were on the attack. They've had it rough here and won't fancy a few more attacks like this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A good tactical retreat would have occurred month or 2 back, werent the Ukraine trying to reinforce it up until recently? the risk now is they didnt all get out which would mean there was stubbornness at play or because of the funding issue with the US and it would have been a bad look.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭weisses


    Ukraine used the time to build 4 defence lines west from adviika, The rest of your drivel comprises one assumption stacked on the other which in the end doesn't make for a coherent argument. imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Like I mentioned before, I would trust Zelenski's military on the ground to make the right decisions regarding retreating or advancing etc. And all this big push by the Russians just to give a boost to Putin and his so-called election victory and anniversary of the invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭techdiver


    It's just depressing. There seems to be no end in sight for this. I've never wanted a world leader to die a more painful death than that scumbag Putin.

    I'm disillusionment comes from the fact that despite all the talk from the start of the war that "Russia only has 2 weeks of funds before it collapses etc" none of this has come to pass. Life seems normal in Moscow (whatever normal in that **** hole country is). We are now hearing again from posters that Russia is in financial trouble and can't afford this war long term yet none of the evidence do far has been proven as to Russias financial position. Where is the evidence that Russia had burned through is ammo stock pile and through its sovereign wealth fund? I'm gleefully looking forward to the collapse of Russia just like what happened to the USSR but I'm losing hope of seeing it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭weisses


    Don't get me wrong. You are of course entitled to your own opinion but If you point out a potential risk and then somehow state that the potential risk was down to stubbornness without even knowing jack **** about what is going on I will call you out on that nonsense yes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Heading into the third year of this war. Who would have seen it coming?

    The military eagles said that both Ukraine and Russia could never sustain this level of men and materiel. The original 300,000 invasion force is probably nearly all dead. The equipment on the battlefield is twice as old as the unfortunates using it.

    It's seems to be endless meat grinders for no name towns and villages. There's probably thousands of linked videos on this thread alone of drone dropping munitions on unsuspecting Russians, and hundreds of videos of tanks vehicles getting popped by artillery.

    Utterly depressing, and we're all so far removed from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭weisses


    IMO The problem with removing Putin boils down to how/what transition will take place. They do have nearly 6000 nuclear warheads, last thing you want is an uncontrolled transition of power with a lot of infighting. For now Russia is ''stable'. An unstable Russia would pose an even bigger danger to the world which could make the conflict in Ukraine a small one in comparison, I think its one of the reasons the US was drip-feeding Ukraine with aid in the hope Putin would come to his senses and pulled out. I rather have Putin at the reigns than an all out civil war within Russia or an even more unhinged puppet at the reigns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Suppose the difference on the Ukraine side was they have the west "supporting them" whereas Russia were going alone as such.

    The problem as I see it is all the forecasts about Russias capability to rage long term war were wrong (now it has proven what a busted flush its military are, but that's a seperate story).

    I know we want to believe anything negative about Russia and that makes spurious claims about the state or Russias economy, Putins so called health issues, revolt from within all to be bullshit so far. I've given up paying any credence to stories about Russias funds and weaponry running our as it's a broken record at this stage. I'll celebrate if/when it happens but I'm not buying into any of these stories any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    (Yes), I suppose that has been the US calculation about appropriate level of military aid to Ukraine (strategy of checking Russian moves indefinitely, vs alternative of go all in aiding Ukraine to win, let the chips fall where they may for Putin and Russian regime and rest of us on the day after [maybe unfortunate thing to call it!]).

    Always thought it was very risky in its own way, and I think evidence is building that they messed it up, and as the war drags on events like the chaotic politics in Washington, Russia's ability to evade sanctions and willingness of autocratic allies to support them, are coming into play.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 SYMETAL


    The Tucker Carlson stuff is just embarrassing.

    The videos of him going around Moscow talking about the supermarket and the subway station, it's very cringe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Looks like the coke plant will be abandoned as well. Russia already raising flags in part of it.

    But let's be honest as depressing as it is this tactic of defending settlements until they're destroyed then pulling back to a new one is exactly how the Russians won so many wars in the past.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    This war is totally changing the thoughts about future wars. No one thought that artillery shells would be a factor or minefields. The US especially assumed that war would be high tech. I heard a discussion about a big rethink regarding North Korea & how they might be encouraged to attack the South based on the situation in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    North Korea & how they might be encouraged to attack the South based on the situation in Ukraine

    What madness is this? North Korea might ostensibly present as lunatic but they're not so mad in their head to think they should invade the South. They have absolutely no reason to, and know they're at a huge tactical and military disadvantage if shooting started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    France fell in 6 weeks in 1940. Germany advanced from Poland to Moscow in 3 months in 1941. The allies advanced from Normandy to Berlin in 9 months in 1944/45. Measuring Russias advance as an aggressive force against those historic advances then their invasion has been an abject failure and utterly pointless. Therefore the 2 week predictions of the spring of 2022 are not far off the mark. This invasion effectively stalled in April 2022 . Putin is just keeping this invasion on life support but it is easily one of the slowest most cumbersome invasions of all time and most other countries would have thrown their hat at it at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Without dragging the thread off topic but it is causing genuine worry as Kim's attitude has hardened. NK could devastate Seoul & Kim would be safe in a bunker. Like with Putin there is a sense of cultural destiny no matter how bonkers it may seem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Nazis and Napoleon wars to name two. Look at the amount of equipment Russia lost for this one town. It's not sustainable unless they gain momentum and increase gains for similar or less losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Equally the South is quite prepared and Seoul surrounded by its own defensive ring - it is only 40km from the border, prudence dictates SK be ready. At best NK could sling some missiles at the capital but that's it and as this war has shown (to bring it back on topic) missiles can be intercepted with relative ease these days. And that's Ukraine, a country that has had to beg for equipment - South Korea is a different matter and IIRC quite militaristic in its own way.

    I'd not be surprised if Kim's stance had hardened cos in light of this war he'd have seen how useful the Patriots are, and how well Soviet equipment does against modern versions on the battlefield. While the PR disasters that are the shoddiness of NK built ammunition hardly paints a picture of a war machine ready to bring it. All Kim can do is huff and puff cos he has little else.

    And if missiles did sneak through and do serious damage? Kim would hope his bunker is deep enough cos I daresay a Pentagon strike plan would be dusted off quick smart.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Bad day for Ukraine....land lost now will not be regained....

    Putin and Russia are in for the long haul.....numbers of dead dont matter...theyll just keep throwing bodies at it....

    The west will eventually tire of this and just want it to be over....Ukraine will lose the Donbass and Crimea in any future agreement....

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