Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I called the summer offensive a failure during the summer, Im happy with my armchair generalling thank you very much. Its simple logic here, you never want to be fighting on 3 sides unless its part of breakout. You do realise in the drone age and the landscape they are fighting in that there is no where to hide, everything can be observed and resupply is difficult.

the only way attrition can work in Ukraine's favour is where they are defending (Surovikin style) and Russia is actively attacking.

You're still misusing the word futile, you should really stop digging on that one.

At worst, Ukraine could have better organised the fallback, militarily, russia came out a lot worse (as in Bakhmut).

Not claiming to be any way expert in military tactics but if one side can get the other to concentrate their attacks on one area and suffer huge losses in trying to take that area while their forces fall back in a well planned way that allows continued heavy losses in the attacking forces it sounds to me to be actually a good tactic and an effective way of draining the offensive force of putin's troops while limiting the damage to large parts of Ukraine which could have suffered more if the offensives by putin's troops had not been channeled towards these fortified strongholds. I'm not going to claim mistakes have not been made by the armed forces of Ukraine but they are fighting for the survival of their people and not fighting would simply see more widespread murder and genocide in their country so on balance more Ukrainian lives will be saved even if the defense they put up to putin's terrorism is not perfect.

So now instead of Russia will collapse in 2 weeks or 2 months you're giving a time limit of 10 years? Nice shifting of the goalposts. I think it's you who needs your morning coffee...

Funnily enough you're now saying what I've always said: Ukraine will only regain its rightful territory when Putin is either dead or gone. Might be 2 years, might be 10 years. We'll see. Can't come soon enough

its not about territory lost or gained as such, that just the end conclusion to things, it more about who is fighting at an advantage or disadvantage. The Ukrainians were clearly fighting at a disadvantage during the summer, and in Avdiivka they have been fighting at a disadvantage ever since they had to defend on 3 sides.

How long will the world let Russia be like this?' Zelenskiy asks world leaders in Munich

“How long will the world let Russia be like this?” That was the question Volodymyr Zelenskiy asked world leaders on Saturday as he underlined the threat Russia’s war poses to nations beyond Ukraine.

Speaking at the the Munich Security Conference, Zelenskiy underlined that Ukraine can still win the war and that it was vital for the world that it does. He called for security to be made a “reality again”, warning that “there is no one for whom the ongoing war in Europe does not pose a threat”.

He warned that Ukraine’s shortage of weapons was strengthening Russia. “Unfortunately, keeping Ukraine in an artificial deficit of weapons, particularly in deficit of artillery and long-range capabilities, allows Putin to adapt to the current intensity of the war,” he said.

He concluded his speech with a plea: “Please, do not ask Ukraine when the war will end. Ask yourself, why is Putin still able to continue it.”

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Powerful words from Zelensky, let's hope the Western leaders, while paying tribute to Navalny, honour him by giving Ukraine more support

I suppose it depends on what Ukraine lost in terms of manpower in adviika and if a lot of equipment was left behind and wasn't at least put out of commission before they left then it was a hasty retreat. I just hope they didn't lose a crazy amount of there crack troops in the last few days as I can see that they were sent in only within the last wk.

But not negotiated with Putin. He has to be gone.

I don't really think capturing the 131st largest city in Ukraine in about 10 years is a display of Russian military might.

It doesn't but it's a sad reflection how Russia can make gains when supporting drops. The next big Russia assaults will be telling. They're lining up for Kupyansk, Chasiv Yar and Robotnye. Time will tell how successful they'll be.

We don't want a similar scenario to 2022 when they captured Popasna and started to make progress.

I hope this is going somewhere

Keep trying, Its a futile excercice.

Now, back to the point I asked you what bad tactics Ukraine used while defending Bakhmut and Adviika?

And why do you persist in incorrectly using the word futile? Is getting surrounded futile at worst? is having to retreat futile? if so why?

Why is creating kill zones and killing thousands upon thousands enemy soldiers from a relatively easy to defend position not a smart defence?

I went looking for Irelands 131st latest city and all the lists stop at 100.

Athenry, population under 4000.

There's so grim reading from Ukrainian soldiers who've pulled out and it was depressing until I read the Russian soldier accounts who were on the attack. They've had it rough here and won't fancy a few more attacks like this.